Archive for April, 2024

Media climate denial

April 21, 2024

A list of points in the Globalist Billionaire owned Murdoch media (Fox, Australian, Sun, Aus Daily Telegraph, etc). What am I missing?:

* There is no such thing as global warming,

* Global warming is natural and we can’t do anything,

* Climate change is not a big deal. The climate is always changing.

* Fixing global warming will destroy the economy and destroy jobs,

* Fixing global warming harms all the fun in life,

* Fixing climate will destroy your liberty, especially your liberty to make your own smog,

* The problem is population, not how much GHG are emitted per head of population

* There are more important things to worry about than climate change,

* Its a socialist conspiracy and we should ignore it,

* Look! this renewable farm destroys a forest! (lets ignore coal, fracking, oil and gas damage),

* We need more oil,

* The problem will get fixed by the free market, so there is nothing we need do.

Modern fascism and the hatred cycle

April 20, 2024

Summary:

Fascism involves self hatred, directed at outgroup others under the guidance of a leader seeking total power and total support. The leader generates hatred of the outgroup, in order to build cohesion in the ingroup, and stop members of the ingroup talking with members of the outgroup, and getting different perspectives. This hatred may further help to reduce anxiety by distracting people from the real challenges their society faces and which the established elites don’t want to face either.

The Fascist leader

The fascist leader is always important. The leader tends to claim that he is insightful and clever, and able to benefit the nation through mysterious means; maybe God, fate, or The sacred Market is on their side? However, beyond raising hatred their actual policies and means of implementation of those policies are usually not very clear, or involve vague feel good statements: “We will build the economy to be strong again,” “we will restore true liberty,” “We will bring unity and might back to the country,” “We will avenge our fallen,” “We will stop [outgroup X] from destroying the country” etc.

The people who support the leader become special by supporting the leader’s heroic work and imagining they belong to that leader’s ingroup. Through this bonding and sense of shared labour, they become essential to the recovery of the pure Nation. They have purpose and meaning in their lives.

One certain thing is that although the Leader may attack the elites who he claims are persecuting and holding the populace down, the Leader will always seek the support of a large part of the establishment by rewarding them, and showing people what will happen to people who don’t support him. The wealth and power elites will be fine, as long as they don’t inspire his hatred, by challenging him or mocking him. They will also support him financially as it’s a worthwhile investment, if they judge he has any hope of winning.

Background to Hatred

The important thing is hatred. The Leader identifies those who are to be hated, and justifies that hatred along with the followers, who support the hatred. This builds the ingroup and its loyalties through dismissing other people.

There is always a background to the hate. Hatred does arise out of nowhere. The people have to be desperate, or motivated to embrace hatred against fellow citizens.

However, as well as vague hatred towards the elites who have failed in their job of helping the people, there may well be widespread and painful self-hatred.

In the contemporary USA, for example, the promise is that everyone can get rich. That promise is no longer true, if it has ever been true. However, at one time upwards mobility was possible for a lot of the population so it is part of the story and of people’s experience or their parents experience. Nowadays many of the middle classes may perceive their status as precarious and that they are facing a downward trajectory, or their children will be going down, due to education debts, increasing housing prices, costs of medical procedures, costs of energy, lack of wage increases above inflation, etc.

The only common explanation allowed by mainstream capitalist politics for this perceived decline in possibilities of prosperity, is personal failure or lack of hard work, not economic structures, not the real power and wealth elites, not ecological collapse, not business failure, not ‘free markets’ leading to plutocracy, or whatever. So they main option to explain things is self-hatred for that failure. They have failed their families and in their lives, by not doing what is expected or demanded for survival. If they are religious, then they may have to hate themselves for sinning, of for not getting God to bless them with money, as well. Personal failure often generates self-hatred, which acts to reinforce this resolution, and it is likely to be common in this kind of situation. Self-hatred is a powerful, discomforting and unacceptable force.

Formerly reasonably well off people may also see, or think that they see, that minorities are receiving help and gaining a status that they feel they were never offered. Employers may say, “you did not get the job because you are white”, rather than you did not get the job because we wanted to give it to the boss’s nephew, or because you did not have any experience. This ‘pleasant’ excuse builds added resentment against outgroup members. Or people may see that those who would not have received work, such as women, can now get better work than they do. The formerly well off have gone downhill, and hatred is easily shifted from self to others if people are given an excuse, or if the hatred against others is shared and reinforced by the ingroup.

The Force of Hatred

The fascist leader relieves people by saying the problem is not the result of personal failure but because of outsiders: communists, gay people, transgender people, feminists, Jews, immigrants, Muslims, atheists, Black People, Chinese people, etc. These people as groups, realistically have almost no influence on what happens in society, they are minorities. However, the leader tells their followers that the presence of these foul people explains why their prosperity has declined, their survival is threatened, and why they feel displaced from their own culture. The leader may also attack some people who might be real obstacles to the leader such as opposition parties, the media that is not 100% behind them and so on. These people can also be threatened and used in order to create the sense of a vast noxious conspiracy from which the leader will save ‘us’ good Americans (or whatever).

Self-hatred transformed

Under the Leader’s direction self-hatred can be suppressed, transformed and projected onto the scum he has identified, while the faithful validate themselves by working to reclaim the country’s glorious past. The point of projection, and why it works as a defense mechanism, is that it allows people to stop feeling self-hatred through feeling hatred for others.

As the leader keeps harping on how the outsiders are corrupting, destructive and evil, and need to be removed, no one need feel guilty about their hatred or about attacking the scum themselves. Attacking these people is perhaps distasteful as people might rather not engage with the vile creatures at all, but it is heroic. People who fight against the outgroups are glorious self-sacrificing martyrs to the great cause. If supporters are arrested and convicted it is because the minorities have corrupted the legal system, into a system of witch hunts, or they are really hostages to the corrupt order, held captive until the leader can free them, and welcome them back into the fold. Judges who convict well-intentioned fellow fascists are among the real enemies of the Country, and will have their comeuppance under the new regime of the Leader.

The Fascist leader promises to break the destructive power of these minorities, to restore the image of the perfect citizen, male, straight and of the right race and religion.

Women

Women who are affiliated with the brave and honorable men who attack corrupting scum are acceptable, as long as they recognise the prime function of women is motherhood and caring for the family. They too must show their purity by supporting their men, hating the minorities, oppositions and women who support minorities, or who want other things than motherhood and family and who are not chaste.

Hatred serves the movement and blocks communication

The hatred not only builds a more relaxed psychology for the haters (they are now justified and hating others not themselves), and they have been given a promising (if vague) imagined future, but it forges ties between the faithful and gives them a simple unity of purpose to get rid of (or break the power) of those the Leader has identified as evil. This purpose fills the previous self-hating aimlessness of their lives. As said previously, the hatred they share for these outsiders bonds them to the leader, to the ingroup, and to the vision of the future they choose.

This hatred further blocks communication as the fascists know that the outgroups have nothing worth listening to, and that anything people in the outgroups might say would, at best, be corrupting, and therefore to be rejected automatically. Likewise, people in the outgroups refrain from trying to communicate with fascists, because they think fascists are vicious and stupid. Fascists name call the opposition and the opposition responds similarly.

The abuse may trigger existing self-hatred, but this time the fascists know they are in the right, and can strike back transferring their hatred onto the abusers. This kind of action reinforces the lack of communication and the lack of mutual respect or mutual empathy. It keeps groups apart.

Calling fascists names serves the fascists, and helps them to build and rigidify the ingroup and outgroups and helps justify their cause – people will not listen to their real grievances. When outsiders call the Leader names, this also shows that the Leader is one of ‘us’ suffering the same condemnation and persecution as ‘we’ do. This abuse shows the greatness of the cause, and its necessity, and justifies action against other citizens.

The cycle of hatred becomes a positive feedback cycle, which then helps reinforce and justify the hatred, which is one of the bases of the Leader’s power.

Political Hatred as Defense Mechanism

The mutual hatred may also distract people from real and overwhelming challenges the society faces, such as climate change, predatory capitalism, growing differentials in wealth, alienation from the state etc. allowing the situation to get worse, and allowing the elites to avoid doing anything to solve the problems that people face. The elites may encourage the fascism, precisely because it allows this avoidance, and the Leader does not appear to face up to the real problems either. This also helps reduce the stress of fascist followers. They can relax, knowing that their are no problems the leader cannot solve, by getting rid of the evil outgroups that arouse anxiety.

Australian National Climate Risk Assessment.

April 9, 2024

The first draft of the Australian National Climate Risk Assessment, seemed to bypass the media.

It identified identified 56 nationally significant climate risks within 7 out of the 8 systems it looked at. 11 of these risks were identified as being of severe impact.

The priority risks cover

  • environmental stress;
  • agriculture and food;
  • outback living;
  • health and social support;
  • infrastructure;
  • defence and national security;
  • communities and settlement;
  • water security;
  • supply chains;
  • economy, trade and finance; and
  • governance.

the Government is asking for responses…..

https://www.dcceew.gov.au/climate-change/publications/ncra-first-pass-risk-assessment

May be an image of ‎map and ‎text that says '‎Figure 1 Overview of observed and projected trends in Australia's climate hazards More severe fire weather days Fewer but more intense tropical cyclones More frequent heatwaves and hot days over 35°C ゼ 歌な Increase in heavy rainfall and flood risk More time spent in drought m M Sea level rise and increase in coastal flooding Likely increase in hailstorm days اب ኦ قطلي Fewer extratropical storms but with heavier rainfall More coastal erosion and changes to shorelines Increase in ocean temperatures and acidity OM 入‎'‎‎

Another source of information mess

April 9, 2024

Intellectual humility is usually taken to be a virtue, but recent research by Matteo ColomboKevin StrangmannLieke HoukesZhasmina Kostadinova & Mark J. Brandt reports that Intellectual humility may also have a relationship with prejudice. They state:

  • First, people are systematically prejudiced towards members of groups perceived as dissimilar.
  • Second, intellectual humility weakens the association between perceived dissimilarity and prejudice.
  • Third, more intellectual humility is associated with more prejudice overall. 

“That is, the higher a participant score on the measures of intellectual humility, the more prejudice they express on average across all of the groups…” They also tie this to justification and good evidence

The basic idea is that those high in IH will tolerate a plurality of views and values and would not be prejudiced against those views and values. However, when the groups who hold these views and values are perceived to be low in IH, this will elicit a higher overall prejudicial response in those high in IH…. our findings might be driven not by the views associated with target social groups, but by the perceived epistemic attitudes associated with them.

I guess when I think about it, the results do make sense. Intellectually humble people are quite possibly likely to be dogmatists and go with the crowd or with authority of their crowd, and think a few confirming cases of their dogma prove universality.

For example. Let us suppose my crowd believes “Theory Q”. A skeptic might wonder about the truth/accuracy of theory Q, because that is their general position – they ‘arrogantly’ assume that some other people, can be wrong. However, a humble person like myself is likely to say, “I don’t understand Theory Q, it seems contradictory, and not in keeping with my experience, but all these people I admire go along with it. Is it more likely that they are wrong, or that I am lacking in understanding?” Being aware of my own intellectual limits I must assume they are more likely to be correct and I am deficient in some way.

Accepting Theory Q, may have the secondary reinforcement that it also makes life pleasant. Most other people I know, can accept me, as I go along with their dogma and assertions. It adds to my peace. So intellectually humble persons ‘logically’ support Theory Q dogma, no matter what misery it brings to themselves or others, and do not get carried away with the conceit of skepticism.

If the people I dislike, because they are in a socially disapproved outgroup, also happen to deny Theory Q, then their obvious lack of virtue, the arrogance with which they dismiss Theory Q, etc, leads me to be glad I am with people who believe theory Q. Its part of who we are. If I disagreed with theory Q then I must be like one of the despised outgroup and that cannot be. I would loose my support and meaning in life. I may not recognise that the outgroup is not being arrogant in its dislike of Theory Q, they may even object to it mildly, but how could I see that, when it is a mystery to me?

Of course if I were already to believe Theory Q, then I can stick with it, whatever the evidence, because again people I admire and trust go along with the dogma as well. Perhaps people they have been taught to dislike do not like theory Q. In either case, this dogmatism supports the rest of the group in its dogmatism. People cheerfully bring in evidence for the position and ignore counter evidence together, and chuckle at the idiots in the outgroup who are skeptical.

If people I admire etc, tell me that all people who are Z are also Y, then why not believe them? Especially if people who are Z seem visibly in the outgroup. What would I know? If I find that a person who is Z is rude to me, or hostile to me, it confirms that the dogma is correct, even if I have encountered people who are Z and I did not know it (they are perhaps hiding because of the general assertion they are Y) or they were quite pleasant even with my prejudice against them on display.

If some of this ‘reasoning’ is correct then intellectually humble people, or people who recognise the world is terribly complicated, can perhaps easily become dogmatic and non skeptical of their socially directed biases. They might even congratulate themselves on their intellectual humility, as it leads them to believe things they would not ordinarily believe and lets them be ‘saved’ or remain part of their identity group.

Worsening climate

April 7, 2024

Some recent articles which should be read together:

1) Greenhouse Gases are still increasing and are now at record levels. The last time they were this high, sea levels “were around 75ft (22 metres) higher than they are today”

2) Rain forests equal to an area nearly the size of Switzerland were cleared from previously undisturbed states last year, according to figures compiled by the World Resources Institute (WRI) and the University of Maryland. This almost certainly lowers the amounts of CO2 being removed from the atmosphere.

3) We have just had the 10th consecutive monthly average record temperature. This has shattered all previous records, and unless there is some weird climate thing going on that we don’t know about, indicates a clear and severe warming phase. Over the past 12 months, average global temperatures have been 1.58C above pre-industrial levels. This makes it look like we have already broken the 1.5C barrier.

4) Some Antarctic temperatures have been over 35 degrees C warmer than usual. There appears to be an “abrupt critical transition” in the continent’s climate, and not surprisingly ice sheets are melting, and the record GHG levels are almost certainly pushing temperatures up.

5) Just 57 companies are linked to 80% of greenhouse gas emissions since 2016. Just a few of the polluter elites are promoting and profiting from potential destruction of world civilisation.

We need to reduce fossil fuel burning and deforestation. However, we appear to be doing the exact opposite. For example,

6) Just 2% of the EU’s gas capacity has planned retirement date despite pledges to decarbonise and new projects will increase the continent’s gas generation capacity by 27%

And

7) The world’s fossil-fuel producers will be nearly quadrupling the amount of oil and gas being extracted from newly approved projects by the end of this decade, with the US leading the way.

Governments and business are basically boosting the crisis to support polluter elites.

We have to act locally now.

Complexity, Neoliberalism and Generosity

April 6, 2024

Neoliberalism can, in its cosmology, seem to recognise complexity, but this may be a delusion as it also seems to involve a politics of enforced corporate dominance, which is incompatible with complexity. It generally is inferior, as an approach to ecological catastrophe, to what I’ve called climate generosity.

Complexity

So first of all, let us list some of the points recognised by a complexity based cosmology.

  • 1) Flux
  • 2) Multiple interactions
  • 3) So complicated that knowledge is distributed, a simplification and uncertain.
  • 4) Small changes make large differences. Tippling points can change the system.
  • 5) Limited predictability in human terms.
  • 6) Systems (as categorised by humans) intermesh, and cannot be isolated from one another
  • 7) Systems display both emergent order and emergent maladaptation from other points of view.
  • 8) Resilience requires diversity of response, biodiversity is good etc.
  • 9) Planning enforced by humans of limited understanding may not generate the results intended and is probably harmful.

Neoliberalism and Complexity

Neoliberalism appears to recognise a complex cosmos. It recognises uncertain and distributed knowledge but tries to reduce all knowledge to the price system, even if the price system can only cover things that are for sale, and is distorted by corporations teaming up to profiteer or remove new competitors, internal sales, transfer pricing, advertising, hype and propaganda, below cost competitive discounting to drive out competitors and so on. It pretends that local members of a corporation can always react to local knowledge rather than to top-down direction.

It recognises that centralised planning is problematic, but supports corporate planning, and plans to stop any ‘unlimited democratic’ control to restrain corporate action for the general good. It often appears to claim the ecological system is controllable, linear, isolated and can be repaired or replaced. It suppresses the search for unintended consequences. This will likely prevent desired futures from emerging.

It does not recognise that systems overlap and influence each other. The corporate economy is supposed to dominate ecologies rather than operate within ecologies. Contemporary neoliberalism may well have risen to powerful as a tool to overcome ecological movements, and demands for lower and less harmful pollution and less destructive forms of extraction, and hence challenges to corporate operations. Oil companies ignored their own research showing that burning fossil fuels promoted climate change, and promoting increased usage. Potential tipping points to ecological upheaval are ignored. Neoliberal political parties seem largely hostile to environmentalism, except when it can delay renewables. Property is ripped out of its connective social and ecological background of existence, to make it restricted.

Neoliberalism does not value diversity. It supports corporate organisation and the heteronormative nuclear family operating within the market. It does not support varied families, community action, non-market activity, or non-market power structures. While neoliberalism recognises ‘spontaneous order,’ it generally supports and enforces market based orders, rather than recognise flux.

Complexity and climate generosity

On the other hand generosity is happy with flux and multiple interactions. It assumes local people have the best knowledge but may need help to get going. It hopes that small local actions can lead to system change, it does not have to enforce change. It also recognises that the system may be shifting into maladaption for social organisation and that is an incentive to support emergent local resilience and diverse responses. Generosity can easily assume human and ecological interaction, and even the ‘ecology’s generosity’ which requires a generous rather than exploitative response, and does not require ecologies to be submissive to human needs. It does not have to engage in forceful planning, as its basis is to help people do things they want to do to help themselves.

Summary

Despite indications neoliberalism might be compatible with complexity, its political attempts to reduce everything to capitalism undermines any potential connections, and undermines its ability to deal with the climate change and eco-upheaval it generates. It will continue to largely ignore the problems and postpone action.

Climate generosity, seems not only an effective non-delay tactic, but one which is more compatible with the apparent complex nature of the world.


Trump and the ‘bloodbath’: What did he say?

April 5, 2024

As usual, reports of Trump’s apparent calls for a bloodbath have been dismissed as anti-Trump hysteria. He is supposedly threatening Chinese car manufacturers not his opponents

However as usual, the actual state of things is more ambiguous.

Here is the actual transcript, nothing deleted, giving the context:

Transcript

China now is building a couple of massive plants where they’re going to build the cars in Mexico and think, they think that they’re going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China, if you’re listening, President Xi, and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal, those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now, and you think you’re going to get that, you’re going to not hire Americans and you’re going to sell the cars to us. Now, we’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars, if I get elected.

Donald Trump Dayton Ohio Buckeye Values PAC Rally

Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole… That’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it.

But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories. A friend of mine, all he does is build car manufacturing plants. He’s the biggest in the world. I mean, honestly, I joke about it. He can’t walk across the street, in that way he’s like Biden. But for building a plant, he can do the greatest plants in the world, right? That’s all he cares about. I said, “I’d like to see one of your plants.” Recently, I said, “I’d like to see. Where can we go?” “Well, we have to travel to Mexico.” I said, “Why Mexico?” He said, “Because that’s where the big plants are building. China’s building really big plants in Mexico and Mexico’s building…” “What about here?” “Well, we’re building much smaller plants here.” Can you believe it? Can you believe it?

Comments

For Trump this is an amazingly coherent passage. As readers will probably know his normal speeches are fairly incoherent and repetitive rambles. So my guess is that most of this speech is prompted and prewritten. It is supposed to be about car manufacturing in Mexico, and everything he says could be true, Capitalists are not going to operate where its more expensive. They race to the location of the cheapest cost of production of the quality they need. Low wages costs, low materials cost, low pollution costs. Automation gives them the quality, so they don’t care that much about ‘quality’ workers, and the workers in Mexico may be the same kind of people they would employ in the USA.

In the middle of this speech apparently prompted by the “if I get elected” he appears to change subject. This section has little to do with the rest of this part of the speech at all, and there is an incoherence break, and repetition, possibly indicating it is not part of the script, its a digression and improvisation.

“Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole… That’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it.

Let us be clear. He could be referring metaphorically to Chinese and other car manufacturers. But it does not fit in with the rest of the speech at all. It seems to be a mind-flash, a real statement of what he feels…

We can either be charitable to man who has threatened violence to his opponents elsewhere and say this is about a fight to the death against manufacturing in Mexico, or we can treat it as a real threat to non-Trumpist American citizens. I think the second option is a better interpretation. He does not specify the country where the bloodbath is to take place, although it makes better sense in the context, to think he is referring to America.

So a few interpretative quotes to give my impression of what he is saying:

  • “If I win, then the Chinese car manufacturers will suffer because I will do 100% tariffs…”
  • “But if I don’t win that its going to be a bloodbath for the whole country.”
  • “That will be the least of it.”
  • “Getting back to the cars in Mexico, even Americans are going to move there if we don’t act….”

If you are a free market person you should be angry in either case.

Earlier in this speech he also engages in dehumanisation of people he does not like, ‘illegal immigrants,’ which is often a precursor to bloodbaths and death squads:

But I got to know all these people…. Young people, they’re in jail for years, if you call them people, I don’t know if you call them people. In some cases they’re not people in my opinion, but I’m not allowed to say that because the radical left says that’s a terrible thing to say. They say you have to vote against him because did you hear what he said about humanity? I’ve seen the humanity and these humanity, these are bad. These are animals and we have to stop it. We can’t have another Laken {a woman who was killed by an illegal person}. We have so many people. We have so many people being hurt so badly and being killed. They’re sending their prisoners to see us. And they’re bringing them right to the border and they’re dropping them off and we’re allowing them to come in.”

same source

We can also remember this recent mindflash in what seems an otherwise unscripted speech….

On Veterans Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxist fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible. They’ll do anything whether legally or illegally to destroy America and to destroy the American dream. The real threat is not from the radical, right? The real threat is from the radical left and it’s growing every day, every single day, the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable competent, smart, tough leader, Russia, China, North Korea, they’re not gonna want to play with us and they didn’t, despite the hatred and anger of the radical left lunatics who want to destroy our country, we will make America great again. Thank you, New Hampshire. God bless you. God bless you all. Thank you. God bless you all. Thank you.

President Trump Campaigns in Claremont, New Hampshire2024

I don’t quite know what he is saying about Russia, China etc. That the radical left stop us playing with them?

But the threat of him, when he wins, purging the USA of people who disagree with him seems clear, and it should threaten everyone as the number of Marxists and communists in the USA is trivial and they are not very powerful or influential, unlike the radical right. He appears to confuse fascists with the left, but that is common for the right, who ignore the people waving swastikas at their rallies, or even encourage them. I guess because of their mutual sympathy.

So, on the whole, to me, it sounds most likely that Trump is threatening a bloodbath in the USA, whether he wins or not. This is compatible with his often expressed desire for revenge. Some people may think that this bloodbath will lead to a peaceful and functional country, rather than to accelerated collapse.

Externalities vs Illth

April 1, 2024

I’m currently trying to write something on economics and what are called ‘externalities’. I’m not an economist, so am writing this in the hope of feedback telling me how I’m wrong, because it seems obvious I must be wrong.

Initial phrasing of the problem

‘Externalities’ seem to be usually thought of as those parts of an economic transaction which have harms, costs or benefits which affect people who external to that transaction. Externalities are usually described as positive (when someone can benefit without paying) for example clean air away from cities, or a neighbour’s bees fertilising one’s plants. A negative externality should (but often does not) include all forms of social and individual illth produced by economic activity (although illth production could come from the State, or other institutions). One immediate problem of this approach is that externalities as seen as coming from individual transactions rather than being systemic, so it localises and individualises the problem. For me, the major flaw of externality theory, is that it does not seem to be interested in preventing illth, it just wants to make some of the costs internal to the system, or even worse try to pretend illth is already costed and hence acceptable to the people who suffer from it.

In summary, my objections to the way the concept of externalities works, are:

  • Definitions and treatment of externalities appear to aim at removing illth from consideration and confining it by making it local, and fixable through monetary payment (compensation or tax). They rarely seem to see illth production as a norm inherent to a system which ‘needs’ cheapness of operation for the highest possible profit, and so generally do not look for solutions at the system level. They also generally do not see the system as potentially self-damaging. Hence I will define a negative externality as a socially generated source of illth, whether intended or otherwise, expected or not. People, or groups, should be held responsible for the illth that they inflict on others, and we should not pretend the illth problem is solved when people and companies have to pay something for it.
    • Research in the early 2000s by Nicholas Z. Muller, Robert Mendelsohn, and William Nordhaus showed that in some businesses (notably solid waste combustion, petroleum-fired electric power generation, sewage treatment, coal-fired electric power generation, stone mining and quarrying, marinas, and petroleum and coal products), the costs of externalities exceeded any value those businesses, added to the economy.
    • Kapp argues modern business enterprise operates on the basis of shifting costs onto others as normal practice to make profits. [Kapp, Karl William (1971) Social costs, neo-classical economics and environmental planning. The Social Costs of Business Enterprise, 3rd edition. K. W. Kapp. Nottingham, Spokesman: 305–18 ]
  • The standard model uses involves only three people, seller, purchaser and person suffering the illth. It effectively localizes illth (‘spillovers’, ‘neighbourhood effects’) rather than sees it as possibly affecting the functionality of whole systems. In other words writing on externalities generally ignores complexity, system and relationships – other than the price system.
  • Much ‘free market’ economics seems to think that illth can always be reduced to monetary compensation and agreement. Economists don’t have to look at the type of illth involved. Consequently, if people are monetarily compensated, then illth is not a problem and, for practical purposes, has disappeared as it is treated as having no other effects on people or the system.
  • Problems with government charges for illth are discussed below under Pigou, many of these difficulties apply to private negotiations as well.
  • It is not clear how you can always put a monetary cost on illth and suffering, or come to a valid agreement on those ‘costs’; especially if the illth is allowed to continue.
  • Illth is often produced by powerful people, and economics ignores the power and riches relations generally present, and the ways those relations could affect, or distort, any agreements likely to be reached on the monetary cost of illth.
  • Economics often seems to presume that ‘the invisible hand’ with its claimed beneficial emergent order will get rid of the problem, or make everything else so much better it no longer matters. This is simply optimism not a basis for governance or for disregarding harm.
  • Often it seems the theory is attempting to protect companies from any responsibility.
  • The energy and attention costs of cleaning up long term illth is ignored. Apparently it will just go away, as it it were ‘waste.’
  • Free market arguments tend to propose that penalties and regulation always, without exception, make everything worse, but that the market always works out fine for everyone, irrespective of their position in the power relations. This almost certainly fantasy.

There also seems to be a large amount of dispute about what the main hero economists thought on this issue.

History: Pigou, Hayek and Coase

Pigou and his objectors

Historically the idea begins with Pigou, although he does not appear to use the term ‘externality’. Pigou’s basic economic principle was:

the economic welfare of a community of given size is likely to be greater (1) the larger is the volume of the national dividend, and (2) the larger is the absolute share of that dividend that accrues to the poor.

Pigou Economics of Welfare 4th edition p 5-6

Not a currently fashionable position

In a chapter on the divergence between marginal social net product and marginal private net product (Chapter IX), he writes:

It thus becomes important to inquire in what conditions the values of the social net product and the private net product of any given (rth) increment of investment in an industry are liable to diverge from one another in either direction.

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This is a problem not only when private riches overwhelm social wealth, but when the effects or costs of private investment comes “as a positive or negative item, to other people.” He examples Irish farmers who pay for improvements to farms owned by others.

He suggests that a problem arises because the costs of illth are not borne by those producing it, so they are not discouraged from its production. He argues that an appropriate tax, or price, on illth, equivalent to the harm inflicted on others, would lower the profitability of illth production. For example, makers of alcohol should be “debited with the extra costs in policemen and prisons which it indirectly makes necessary” (p 186).

This charge, assumes the harm can be priced, the damage can be fixed, or that cost discourages illth production, which would probably depend upon the profits being made. This would seem to be best as a matter of experiment, not of dogma.

As we might expect, neoliberal [1] [2] [3] economists think taxing illth production, is government interference in the market and hence bad.

  • It is alleged the government cannot know what the best price is, and hence it will be wrong and produce terrible disasters. The EU Carbon trading scheme can be used as an example of a system which did not work very well at the beginning – largely because it was too generous to business to avoid trouble for the EU, however, some levels of air pollution have now decreased (https://wordpress.com/post/cmandchaos.wordpress.com/11300 and https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/13/air-pollution-levels-have-improved-in-europe-over-20-years-say-researchers). However, this criticism of tax solutions ignores the possibility of experiment, or of gradually increasing charge for the illth with no exemptions.
  • Instabilities, and changes in government, may destroy any such prices, tax or trading schemes, especially (although this seems rarely mentioned) due to the influence of powerful and wealthy industries who want to continue illth production. This problem has been experienced in Australia with the carbon price being repealed by pro-corporate government..
  • Lack of a global carbon price or tax, might incentivize companies to go where pollution is cheapest, which is a particular problem if the pollution diffuses, as with CO2.
  • It is difficult to estimate the cost of damage done by illth. It is difficult to measure emissions from individual factories and across an industry.
  • Another argument suggests that If people want non-polluting energy then, if non-polluting energy is cheaper people will purchase it. This ignores established powers in the market, and their ability to corrupt the information in the price system, or to corrupt people’s response to that information.
  • Pollution can be said to be an engineering problem, not an economic problem, while at the same time suggesting engineering is driven by economics. Spontaneous new technology is the solution.
  • One writer states that a tax/charge is unfair because it only punishes the polluter, and ignores the impact of the polluted, who are causing the polluter damage “by being there and causing a tax to be imposed on the other business.” [cf 3]. Possibly this rather odd idea may come from Coase, who assumes that externalities are reciprocal [check], and that there must be two specific parties interacting for an externality to exist. Hopefully the term ‘reciprocal’ was not meant to indicate the parties are equally responsible (deleting power relations) or that there can only ever be two parties at a time, or that a party cannot harm itself.

[Barnett, A. H.; Yandle, Bruce (24 June 2009). “The end of the externality revolution”. Social Philosophy and Policy. 26 (2): 130–50. doi:10.1017/S0265052509090190. S2CID 154357550.]

In all, the problem with the idea of tax or charge for illth appears to be that economists popular with governments and companies tend to see any governmental planning as the road to serfdom, because it suggests that the market may not always find the best way forward by itself. However, we may wonder how much better private transactions will be in estimating monetary substitutions for the harm of illth, all the time. Again, an expected increase in the charge may help provide incentive to reduce the illth.

Hayek

Hayek by his support for dictatorships in Chile, Argentina and Portugal and his response to criticism on this issue, appears to have thought that governments who murdered, tortured and’ disappeared’ their citizens, as long as they dictatorships did not, or might not, interfere with the market or with business profits, were far less tyrannous than governments who tried to plan for the betterment of everyone. Following this lead many Hayekians propose that free markets may have nothing to do with welfare. In which case, of course we can ask what is their point? Power? Unequal riches? Lack of general welfare? etc. and is that the kind of market they want. It is not clear what Hayek would have thought about climate change, but his apparent concern for protecting companies rather than people’s ‘rights’ (which he always dismissed) and safety, suggest he would leave it to the corporate market, and its power relations.

I follow Shahar here. Some people use Hayek, to argue that politically based responses to externalities are guaranteed to fail. for example::

  • [Carden, Art. 2013. “Economic Calculation in the Environmentalist Commonwealth.” Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics 16: 3-16.;
  • Cordato, Roy E. 1997. “Market-Based Environmentalism and the Free Market: They’re Not the Same.” Independent Review 1: 371-86.;
  • McGee, Robert W., and Walter E. Block. 1994. “Pollution Trading Permits as a Form of Market Socialism and the Search for a Real Market Solution to Environmental Pollution.” Fordham Environmental Law Journal 6: 51-77.]

While other Hayekians argue that Hayek would have supported aggressive environmental protections on the same grounds that he defended liberty, property, and markets in economic arenas:

  • [DiZerega, Gus. 1992. “Social Ecology, Deep Ecology, and Liberalism.” Critical Review 6: 305-70.,  
    • 1996a. “Towards an Ecocentric Political Economy.” Trumpeter 13.
    • 1996b. “Deep Ecology and Liberalism: The Greener Implications of Evolutionary Liberal Theory.” Review of Politics 58: 699-734;
  • Gamble, Andrew. 2006. “Hayek on Knowledge, Economics, and Society.” In The Cambridge Companion to Hayek, edited by Edward Feser, 111-31. New York: Cambridge University Press;
  • O’Neill, John. 2012. “Austrian Economics and the Limits of Markets.” Cambridge Journal of Economics 36: 1073-90.]

In treated useable resources Hayek was blatantly optimistic. He noticed that “fertility of the soil, can only be expected to endure permanently if we take care to preserve them.” (2008, Pure theory of Capital: 72). This preservation is said to be part of the problem of maintaining and reproducing capital so as to permanently elevate prosperity (??102). As Shahar shows, for Hayek, this does not really mean conservation, but replacing “each resource that is being used up with a new one that will make at least an equal contribution to future income.” There is no need to keep the “total stock of natural resources… intact,” as used up land can be abandoned and this is not reprehensible or wasteful, because it is in the nature of monetary capital to be used (Constitution of liberty 1960: 323 [collected works 496]). However, while land can function as capital, it is not just capital or money and using it up does not always have no effects. Hayek states:

most consumption of irreplaceable resources rests on an act of faith. We are generally confident that, by the time the resource is exhausted, something new will have been discovered which will either satisfy the same need or at least compensate us for what we no longer have, so that we are, on the whole, as well off as before. We are constantly using up resources on the basis of the mere probability that our knowledge of available resources will increase indefinitely.

(constitution 1960, 319)

We might say that the pathology of capitalism is based on sentiments like this. However, as some resources have been replaced in the past with different ones, this does not mean we can assume that all resources can always be so replaced. Judging by the awkward phrasing Hayek realises there is a potential problem, but wants to embrace a magic pudding economy.

As well as potentially encouraging harm, Hayek also warns about protections against harm:

Industrial development would have been greatly retarded if sixty or eighty years ago the warning of the conservationists about the threatening exhaustion of the supply of coal had been heeded; and the internal combustion engine would never have revolutionized transport if its use had been limited to the then known supplies of oil (during the first few decades of the era of the automobile and the airplane the known resources of oil at the current rate of use would have been exhausted in ten years). Though it is important that on all these matters the opinion of the experts about the physical facts should be heard, the result in most instances would have been very detrimental if they had had the power to enforce their views on policy

(constitution 320)

Experts get in the way of capitalist know-how? Hayek also threatens us with the tragedy of the commons:

no individual exploiter will have an interest in conserving [commons], since what he does not take will be taken by others (1960, 319).

But, for once, he relies on the well managed commons principle. Commons may work out, if people “agree to be compelled, provided this compulsion is also applied to others” (Law, Legislation, and Liberty, vol. III: The Political Order of a Free People. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. 1981: 44)

Hayek also argues that while people should have regulations that force them to use the market (probably as the price system is the only information system he trusts, and failure and misery should be allowed to occur, if you are not rich), the market should not be told what to do, as actors would have:

“no chance to use their own knowledge or follow their own predilections. The action performed according to such commands serves exclusively the purposes of him who has issued it” (1960, 132)

having direction or paying charges is not the obstruction of use of knowledge. This is just hyperbole to stop capitalists being constrained, to demonstrate faith in markets.

A free market approach is said by some to mean that people would see the dangers, rebuild cities on higher land, use fish farms, invent profitable heat tolerant crops and so on. This assumes there are not unintended consequences of fish farms, that there is land inland which is not already being used, and that heat tolerant crops do not prove vulnerable in some other unexpected way. However, the main objection to the proposal is that nothing like this is happening in market societies, and that cannot just be blamed on governments. And if we need ideal free markets, then we might as well give up, as they will never happen, due to plutocrats buying governments to support their advantages.

Free marketeers are relying on top down planning from corporations who only are concerned about profit and appearance. We may need to rely more on local movements.

  • Steve Rayner, “How to Eat an Elephant: A Bottom-Up Approach to Climate Policy,” Climate Policy 10, no. 6 (2010): 615–21, https://doi.org/10.3763/cpol.2010.0138.
  • Steve Rayner, “Uncomfortable Knowledge: The Social Construction of Ignorance in Science and Environmental Policy Discourses,” Economy and Society 41, no. 1 (2012): 107–125.

Coase

Ronald Coase [“The Problem of Social Cost Journal of Law and Economics, Vol. 3, No. 1, pp. 1–44], objected to Pigouvian taxes, by alleging that all externality costs, could be resolved by strong property rights and market bargaining, and hence made ‘internalities’ in the market.

  • The first obvious objection to this kind of procedure is that the atmosphere, rivers, oceans and migratory animals are not generally private property, and can range across countries. It would also be unpleasant to be charged for breathing. Hence it is hard to negotiate over the main forms of climate illth due to its dispersion.
  • If the polluter owns what is being polluted or the owner does not care, then it becomes impossible to reduce pollution.
  • Property and borders are also rendered complicated by the fact that multiple organisations all over the world are polluting, and those companies who can avoid Coasian bargaining can benefit from pollution. Examples of this occur in Carbon Accounting whereby the burning of, say, Australian originating fossil fuels, does not count against Australia’s emissions totals – even if it profited from that transaction.
  • Another objection is that the more powerful the illth maker may be with respect to the harmed, the more they will be able to refuse participating in a genuine transaction. This happens commonly when people have been poisoned by work, and it takes what is usually a massively unequally funded court case to get anywhere, and people may be dead before they are compensated, as with Australian asbestos cases.
  • Or someone may be able to come up and say. “I’m founding a polluting business, down the street that will possibly drive away your customers. It would be sad if your business got broken, you know what I mean, I want [blah] a month to stop.” The transaction is essentially a bribe, or protection.
  • It may also be impossible for me to pay the cost of not polluting to the polluting company if they do stop polluting.
  • There is no guarantee market participants will know the value of not-polluting either. That does not make whatever agreement we come to the best possible agreement.
  • In some cases the full costs of the pollution may be paid by unknown people, or people who have not been born yet, for example those people born into our future, a world of completely out of control climate change.
  • In most cases we might think that the purpose of taxes and charges, is to stop the pollution, rather than to have people to decide on what compensation they want for the pollution, or how much money or cost a polluter wants to stop polluting.
  • There is no reason to assume that a monetary cost can always be imposed upon the illth, or the trouble of bargaining, agreed to.
  • If the illth is diffuse then, the actual short term cost might be so small that no one can be bothered to sue the company for restoration. Hence the illth continues to grow.

Some have argued that Coase is arguing that after transaction costs are taken into account, then there is no problem, even if the illth has not gone away. Dahlman adds, in “The Problem of Externality” (1979), that once we recognise levels of uncertainty then we cannot easily claim the Externality wasn’t internalized by somebody or other. Note this says nothing about the illth, even though it attempts to make it vanish, it just says that no one is financially responsible, ever.

A writer for the ‘free market’ Cato Institute writes without any apparent irony after giving an example of Coasian trading in action: “well‐​defined and tradable property rights abolish externalities, even if the pollution remains.” We will apparently get the least monetarily costly arrangement, even if it leaves the illth alone. It appears for these economists that there is no real world other than the price system. James Buchanan apparently adopts the position, that if the polluted don’t notice the pollution, then its not harming them. The obvious consequence from that position is not to lower the pollution but the amount of information about its harms.

  • Externality,” by James M. Buchanan and Wm. Craig Stubblebine. Economica 29(116): 371–384 (1962).

Buchanan also argues that comparison of the current word with a world in which illth of the type under discussion is not present is a fantasy.

To argue that an existing order is ‘imperfect’ in comparison with an alternative order of affairs that turns out, upon careful inspection, to be unattainable may not be different from arguing that the existing order is ‘perfect… [There is] nothing in the collective choice process that will tend to produce the ‘ideal’ solution, as determined by the welfare economist.”

Politics, Policy, and the Pigovian Margins,” by James M. Buchanan. Economica 29(113): 17–28 (1962).

Yes but it is also a fantasy to assume that illth can always be ignored.

Saying that the market cannot solve, or has not, solved these problems can be dismissed as thinking the government could do better – which is presumably obviously untrue [Externality: Origins and Classifications,” by Donald J. Boudreaux and Roger Meiners. Natural Resources Journal 59(1): 1–33 (2019)]. It can hardly do much worse.

Another Free market writer states:

What is called “pollution” is the use of a non-owned resource without compensation. In some situations, there are no private owners, as with the air. If there were, they could demand compensation for permission to use the resources, as with ordinary purchases. The consequences would be “internalized” on the responsible person, and pollution might be avoided or reduced

This argument functions as a way of protecting companies who destroy commons, or ‘public goods,’

In a similar mode, Candela writes that when ‘externalities’ occur “[i]t simply implies the failure of the conditions of the market process to exist, not the existence of market failure” (see Candela and Geloso 2020). But this is happening in a market, and no market is perfect, so its just a way of saying that when markets fail, there are no real markets, which is a sleight of hand to excuse harmful business activity in real existing markets.

Expectations

Some say that externalities must be unexpected, because people will always (if sensible) factor expected costs or harms into their lives.

“Externalities exist only when another party’s actions create unexpected spillover effects,” “Insofar as no one’s legitimate expectations are upset,.. no externality occurs.” The bargains have been made and the receivers of negative externalities indirectly compensated. “The problem, if one asserts there is a problem, is the structure of property rights” [Externality: Origins and Classifications,” by Donald J. Boudreaux and Roger Meiners. Natural Resources Journal 59(1): 1–33 (2019)]

If you move near a motorway then you have no right to demand compensation for the pollution you suffer, as that pollution (possibly) gave you a cheaper house price, or you figured that other benefits of the area compensated you for the financial ‘cost’ of breathing polluted air. There is therefore no need to reduce illth produced by the motorway’s use. In this system it appears that no one should be able to claim that climate change is unexpected so companies should bear no cost for the climate change that they have generated. If I am reading this correctly, then this theory seems to be another way of protecting polluters from their responsibilities.

Another fundamental part of the issue, is there can be uncertainty or incomplete information about who is responsible for damages or contract restrictions. Coase apparently implies that complete information must exist for his solution to work, along with rationality. However, uncertainty and incompleteness are normal in complex systems, so to imply that perfect and complete information is needed for something to work, is one indirect way of saying it will not work.

Technologies of corporatism

One question that might be worth asking is: “Is it market failure, or market success that increases illth?” Increasing illth increases profitability in the short term.

Is the presence of corporations as a technology which structures a group so that investors only have a limited liability for the harms they are profiting from, part of the cause of illth?

Liability and the Known Unknown”. Duke Law Journal. 68: 275–332. doi:10.2139/ssrn.3121519. ISSN 1556-5068. S2CID 44186028 – via SSRN. Hansmann, Henry; Kraakman, Reinier (May 1991). “Toward Unlimited Shareholder Liability for Corporate Torts”. The Yale Law Journal. 100 (7): 1879. doi:10.2307/796812. ISSN 0044-0094. JSTOR 796812.]

If fossil fuels do not get more expensive to produce, the fossil fuel companies do not issue propaganda, or buy or threaten governments, and renewables do not get more profitable, then the illth of GHG will continue if left to the market.

The theory of externalities seems largely designed to avoid the problem of illth production or to avoid reducing it.

The failure of market economics to apparently get the problem, means that the only plausible remedies seem legal and governmental ones.

  1. A government charge for illth production, that gradually and regularly increases, until the illth production is no longer profitable. The monies raised from the charge to be used for illth remediation.
  2. Defining economically produced illth as illegal, with a period to allow adjustment to this proclamation. Followed by other sources of illth, with people having the right to bring government subsidized cases against illth production and to fund remediation.