Posts Tagged ‘depth psychology’

A silly post

June 26, 2025

What would happen if we pretended that we could play the game of life without without having to destroy our environment by playing?

After all most of us care about some of the people we live with, and around, and would not go out of our way to harm them. Perhaps we could live without going out of our way to harm other beings? Without pollution, or pretending that we don’t pollute?

It could be an interesting venture to try, not that we would get much support. I guess it would look like cranky individualism.

But is hard to play anything without an ‘environment; play in…

(dis)information and knowledge 3: (dis)information becomes symbolic

October 27, 2023

Saying that (dis)information can become symbolic, or serve symbolic functions, asserts that (dis)information can have other, often more important, values than its ‘accuracy’.

It can stand for, or express,

  • Something important that is known subliminaly or unconsciously,
  • Something socially censored (becoming unconscious to a degree),
  • Something which is important but not completely knowable, or
  • Something which is iniherently unknowable (such as the nature of the cosmos, existence, social complexity, the full nature of climate change, or God, and so on).

If what a symbol expresses is vitally important to a person’s sense of wider self, then it can appear numinous or ‘holy’, such that challenging it’s accuracy is almost impossible.

This can be true for (dis)information, even if that information is as accurate as it can be.

For example, climate change can easily become symbolic of a sense of personal and social collapse, of being ‘unmored’, of not being heard or taken notice of, and of living within processes which seem out of control or hostile.

For oil companies and their supporters, emissions perhaps become symbolic of, or express, profitability, survival, plenty, liberty and a good future for everyone. They could express desired human dominance over the world. With this symbology, it becomes more destructive to attack fossil fuels, than to recognise fossil fuels are destrutive. The symbolic status helps people not hear the evidence that might demolish the symbolic organisation of their lives and leave them vulnerable.

For people supporting Q-Anon, Trump, etc, then various improbable conspiracy theories also expressing their intuitive knowledge that the world is being run strangely and without regard for them; vast forces are opposed to listening to them, or dealing with the visible collapse and problems of their lives. Nothing official makes sense. Trumps’ legal troubles can become symbolic of the ‘persecution’ of the general populace by government, the private sector, conventional laws, the workplace etc., and fits in with the sense of general collapse and indifference. That “Trump is a persecuted victim” (perhaps like Jesus) appears validated by the reality of their own victimised, ignored and persecuted lives. So do claims of a faked election, as people have experientially played by the rules and lost – hardly anybody was rewarded for hard work. Election theft is symbolic of theft of their lives by the system.

Acceptable (dis)information, and interpretation, is chosen to express and reinforce the true realisation of growing collapse, which cannot be spoken without risk.

This is a normal human function. Unconscious and unspeakable knowledge, can often be ‘perceived’ through symbols, as in dreams, artwork, slips of the tongue, fantasy, and scapegoating. But taking symbolic information literally can lead to further misunderstandings of the world, just as refusing to accept the import of symbolisation can also lead to misundertandings and misperception.

Because, say, the Democrats did not, and do not take, take Trump’s symbolic role seriously (as “no one could trust him”, “What he says is gibberish”. “He’s obviously criminal” etc) they cannot listen to the real grievances of Trump’s supporters, or understand what people are going through which leads them to vote for his supporters.

(dis)information and knowledge 2: Politics

October 27, 2023

Given that one of communication’s major functions is persuading others to perform, or not perform, actions (follow instructions etc), then communication, and (dis)information, is constantly ‘political’.

If an organisation can persuade people not to engage in climate action through misinformation or confusion, then they may benefit from that lack of action. For example, if you look at what oil companies have done they:

  • 1) Knew about climate change from their own research as early as the 1950s and 70s and later research by themselves and others simply confirmed what they already knew.
  • 2) Underplayed, or ignored that research in favour of increasing their business and profit.
  • 3) Cast doubt on the data, and the knowledge that CO2 emissions created climate change.
  • 4) Actively tried to inhibit actions and agreements at COP meetings.
  • 5) Initiated supposed climate schemes which increased business, profit and emissions with the hope that emissions could be reduced in the future rather than now – Carbon Capture and Storage for example
  • 6) Set up networks of think-tanks whose primary purpose was to promote denial and delay which was not completely associated with the fossil fuel companies, such as the Atlas Network etc.
  • 7) They currently spend more on new exploration and prospecting, than on emissions reduction.
  • 8) Even if we can think they are doing something about climate change now, they delayed action for at least between 30 or 40 years, increasing emissions in that period and encouraging lock-in to fossil fuels. This makes any transition much harder. But it did boost their profits and power.
  • 9) They are still amongst the richest and most powerful companies on the planet.

They have campaigned to make the situation safe for them and worse for others. Their riches helped them to promote information and communication to persuade others not to act.

For some reason the Right has seemed to be able to make much better use of this persuasive capacity of (dis)information – with climate denial, US election denial, economic denial, smearing oponents and so on. Perhaps they have learnt from corporate techniques. We could tritely say that truth is somehow less important to them, or less important to them than victory. What is relevant is the easy manufacture of distraction, misinformation and the audience selection of particular memes by their appeal. which then get repeated. Repetition is a major way of ‘proving’ (dis)information – “why would people keep saying this if it was not true”. That is, information is not judged by accuracy but by its reinforcement of already existing bias, proclivities and action as motivated by political allegiance to the ‘information group’ – and that political allegiance makes information from their own ‘side’ more acceptable than information from out-groups.

This partly occurs, not just because of the loyalty aspect of groups and building a self identity out of what is acceptable to our own group, but because of another property of human psychology, which is that information (as with most processes, such as technology, politics, animals or ecologies) can easily become symbolic. This is covered in the next post.

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Degrees of climate angst

August 7, 2023

The Yale Climate review reported world wide research polling amongst facebook users, which indicates that there are six different types of climate audience or grouping.

The Alarmed are convinced climate change is happening, human-caused, and an urgent threat, and strongly support climate policies.

The Concerned think human-caused climate change is happening and is a serious threat, and support climate policies. However, they tend to believe that climate impacts are still distant in time and space, thus the issue remains a lower priority.

The Cautious have not yet made up their minds: Is climate change happening? Is it human-caused? Is it serious?

The Disengaged know little to nothing about climate change and rarely if ever hear about it.

The Doubtful do not think climate change is happening or believe it is just a natural cycle.

And the Dismissive are convinced climate change is not happening, human-caused, or a threat, and oppose most climate policies

slightly modified: Italics and line breaks added

I personally think, from my experiences, there are at least two other modes:

  • Anger: Climate change is happening, its no big deal, and people are trying to impose unwanted changes of life on us.
  • Doomer: Climate change is too advanced to be stopped, so we can’t do anything.

There is also the probable

  • My income is tied in with fossil fuels, so climate action is bad

But these are irrelevant to the current discussion

Yale remarks:

We find that the Alarmed are the largest group in about three-fourths (80 of the 110) of the countries and territories surveyed. In fact, half or more respondents in twenty-nine countries and territories are Alarmed: the five countries with the largest percentage of Alarmed are Chile (65%), Mexico (64%), Malawi (63%), Bolivia (62%), and Sri Lanka (61%). Czechia and Yemen have the smallest percentages of Alarmed (both 9%). In the United States, about one-third of respondents are Alarmed (34%)….

By contrast, relatively few respondents in any country or territory are Doubtful or Dismissive. Among major emitters, the United States has the largest proportion of Doubtful and Dismissive, more than one in five (22%).

The document does not gather together the data for the world. So lets gather together some figures for Alarmed and Concerned. Given the polling is of facebook users this is a restricted audience….

  • Mexico 93% of people are Alarmed or Concerned
  • Brazil 90%
  • Chile 83%
  • Spain 79%
  • Hungary 79%
  • Columbia 79%
  • Argentina 77%
  • South Africa 73%
  • Japan 72%
  • India 71%
  • Kenya 70%
  • Bangladesh 70%
  • Turkey 70%
  • Malaysia 68%
  • Singapore 68%
  • Jamaica 68%
  • Zambia 68%
  • UK 67%
  • Germany 66%
  • Canada 65%
  • Australia 63%
  • USA 59%
  • Nigeria 55%
  • Saudi Arabia 50%
  • Norway 41%
  • Yemen 26%

This indicates that there is a world wide interest in change.

So again we need to ask why there is so little movement towards change.

Climate Psychology

July 29, 2023

the great Sally Gillespie

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-28/calls-for-clear-leadership-as-un-warns-of-global-boiling-era/102663028

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The World of Illusion

April 25, 2023

People can choose to live in a ‘world of illusion’ because they don’t always like to face up to challenges, particularly if they have failed to deal with challenges in the past, or they don’t want to recognise that past choices (and support) have led to them to where they are now. Sometimes realities seem too painful to face up to, and sometimes those you identify with and would like to resemble, are those causing the problems you face.

There are also mystical traditions which say that facing up to the reality of eternal bliss now, conflicts with our current ways of life and our views of our self as limited and deserving of punishment.

The point is that recognizing reality can be painful, and disorienting and threatening to our established identity

If there is a major internal, or external struggle/paradox happening then it can be less painful to decide that reality is not threatening to your identity and way of life and, that you and yours, are not creating problems for yourself and everyone.

It is much easier to sell people the idea that they don’t have to do anything, and all will be ok, than to sell them the idea that they (and others) have made bad choices in the past, and that they are likely to suffer as a result, especially if the suffering has only gradually increased.

People also often find it easier to line up to fight irrelevancies, than to struggle against the real problems.

For example:

  • It is easier to fight powerless drag queens, who have very little connection to child rape, than it is to fight people in the religions you believe in, who actually do rape children and have the power to expel you or make you an outcast.
  • It is easier to side with fossil fuel companies and denounce the ‘liberal elite’ and the ‘scientific conspiracy’ than it is to admit that your use of fossil fuels, and products using fossil fuels, is causing a problem which may lead to you losing your home, and that you need to change your whole way of life to tackle climate change. Especially given the change comes without a guide, and great uncertainty as to how you would live.
  • It is easier to say renewables will solve everything than it is to deal with the problems of renewables, or the problems of the system they are embedded in.

All of us do this all the time, unless we start to realize it. Its difficult to face up to the likelihood we have been choosing to live in a world of illusion.

umair haque on Happiness

April 12, 2023

Summary of an important article here. Read it…

Haque argues that happiness, for humans, involves social activity, possibly pointless social activity. It’s a side effect of getting to really interact with people (of all types) in your own neighborhood and building connections unintentionally.

This is important because our society (neoliberal capitalism) does not encourage this form of connection at all. It encourages selfishness, fake individualism and misery, in order to make you largely helpless consumers, and stop you collaborating with people in general. Happiness has become a business, but real happiness is free. Unhappiness has become a political tool, to drive further unhappiness.

He opens. In Europe:

I leave the house. I can’t go twenty feet without someone shouting my name. Hey, Umair! It’s the old gay couple who lives around the corner. How are you guys, I shout back, over the roar of a bus and a scooter. Me and Snowy walk on. He sees one of his buddies. This is twenty feet later. They squeal in excitement, and I’m talking to Karina, little June’s mom, about her new job. We walk on, and thirty feet later, it’s my new friend Jane, who works at the cafe I’m going to, and she’s going to sing on one of my songs, because she’s an aspiring singer. Another fifty feet. An elderly lady swoons over little Snowy. Gets misty eyed. Tells me about the dogs she’s had. We stand there talking, and I get a little emotional, too.

Half an hour’s gone by. We finally make it to the cafe, which is five minutes up the street. And there, the whole thing starts over. The crew working at the cafe says Snowy! They pet him and he grins up at them. He begins to boop random people — it’s his favorite thing — and they lean down and say hi. Plenty of us begin. There’s a girl there who’s moving over from America, a young distinguished scholar, and we make quick friends. The couple we see every other day is there, and we talk about what’s new in the neighborhood.

An hour’s gone by. And I’ve barely had my coffee and begun to have my thinking time. LOL. In America? None of this happens. Everyone walks on by, in stony silence. 

Perhaps in the US, everything is so transient, or so dependent on precarious incomes, that people defend themselves by not bonding with each other casually. He continues

My happiness levels rise because of the way life is in my little neighborhood in Europe. They rise dramatically. It’s not a small thing. It’s a big one. In America? I go a couple of weeks without this intense level of daily sociality — and I begin to feel shaky

America has no hope of happiness, because everything is neoliberal, individual, a private good. There is, in the cities, at least no building of community, and this creates unease, and danger – anyone could shoot you. Indeed, breaking connection may lead many people to madness, making the streets seem full of danger increases that madness, and leads people to embrace organised closeness and protection as in street gangs or political gangs who denounce the other side.

Psychology’s come to understand this. This open secret to happiness: sociality. And it flips everything on its head, really. Think of the way that Americans chase happiness. All those books, classes, quests. Happiness is chased the way everything else is in America: as a private good…

Happiness is not a private good. So you can’t go out there and chase it individualistically that way, like a little atom. That’s why this happiness industry in America so often appears to be selling snake oil. 

Humans are social animals, not disconnected beings. they require connection to be content or happy, even if they don’t realise it, and keep contacts down to be safe . Probably Trump supporters get more out of associating with like-minded and bonded people than they do out of Trump’s words.

What does my little daily set of interactions in Europe do? I mean that literally. Think about it. To get to a cafe that’s five minutes away, I spend half an hour chatting. Laughing. Smiling. Knowing, sharing, giving, caring. Sometimes these encounters are with my neighbors. Sometimes they’re with perfect strangers. Sometimes, they’re mundane. Sometimes, they’re deeply moving and profound. But in either way, I am enriched. Vastly enriched. I’m lighter, having shared my own worries and concerns. I’m more joyous, feeling the happiness of someone else about something good in their life.

We are connected. 

Happiness to repeat is social – working together, being together. It has nothing to do with buying things, or being alone.

What does that mean happiness is? Happiness is a public good. That might sound trite, but I assure you, it’s not. Think again about America. How is happiness framed? Titles of a few of those bestsellers about happiness: “The Art of Not Giving a F&ck.” “How to Be a Badass.” America’s approach to happiness is about individualism, about having happiness as a private good, something you possess, own — like anything else in a capitalist society, really, no different from, say, a big house all your own, a sports car, a wine cellar.

But happiness, it seems to me — and to psychology, increasingly — is not that at all. It’s a public good. And that means that either we all have it, or we don’t.

That is the social secret that could help change society for the better. But who will risk it? who will not convince themselves they already have enough of other people?

Psychological Comparisons

January 6, 2022

Psychology and energy transition

Continued from A New Energy Crisis

We need a new way of thinking about ecological, climate and energy problems. I’m going to suggest that some forms of human psychology and therapy may provide a useful model for that change and its consequences. We are facing several existential crises, or crises of finding understanding and meaningful action. Our worldviews and habits appear to contradict survival These crises are both shared (social) and individual.

We may say that human psychology, like human society, is partly driven by habits and worldviews – In the individual we might call habits and worldviews ‘the ego’. Habit and worldview support each other. Worldview generates habits and reactions to the world, and habits generate worldview. Worldview and habits structure and limit consciousness, producing an unconsciousness of both personal and social realities. Surviving in a society encourages and promulgates worldviews and habits – living an individual life encourages particular habits and worldviews. When those limits of consciousness hit the limits, or complexities, of the world in a painful manner, a person (or society) may:

  • Retreat into neuroticism and denial,
  • Breakdown into chaos,
  • Stubbornly continue in the established ways, only to create worse problems for themselves,
  • Resist change, not participate in constructive change, keep old habits, or
  • Allow the process to break down the ego and be open to allowing something new to emerge in terms of world view and habitual behaviour, which is more appropriate to reality.

Letting something new arise can be painful and depressing, but it seems to be the natural way through existential crises.

With the current civilisational collapse, these four kinds of crisis response are shared by many people who are probably finding their habits and world views are distracting them from the problems, not helping to solve the problems, or leading to misery.

Civilisation may not be able to continue the same forms of life and survive – those forms of life seem to be generating crises which cannot be solved. Society, and our selves, may need to change. Social action may need to repair or replace the sickness that the habits, worldviews and psychologies, neoliberal capitalism appear to generate. Such as

  • The emptiness which is replaced by purchase.
  • The endless quest for growth in possessions which naturalises trying to fill emptiness by purchse.
  • The lack of relationship, other than monetary or use relationships, which allows ecological destruction and contempt for others.
  • Wasting life through wage labour.
  • Non participation in politics and decision making.

Perhaps the goods of capitalism carry harms as well? Perhaps healthy people do not desire the continuing expansion of material wealth after a certain point?

I have previously discussed practices of staying with the felt or logical contradictions, listening openly to one’s inner movements, or to what you have suppressed. Making use of the two (?) minds. Paying attention to dreams and to spontaneously arising symbols, as modes of coming to creatively intuit and understand the world you are in. The Australian Aboriginal practice of Dadirri also seems relevant to relating to nature, yourself and complexity. Acting with climate generosity seems to be a potential way through existential crisis and finding meaning.

As you are continually interpreting the world, you can choose to interpret it the way you might interpret a dream, taking back whatever is distressing to you, into fantasy where it originated, and relating to it, and what it means for you – and seeing it as at least partially coming from yourself.

Symbols may point to another way of living and being. The arising of symbols, images and other ‘sensory analogues’ is the process of something struggling to be born which you resist in yourself. In a similar way we can also look at the world and wonder what new formations are struggling to be born, what they might look like, and what opposes them?

As implied by the old saying (often attributed to Einstein): “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking (mindset) we used when we created them,” we need new thinking and new habits. This involves a beginning in which we consciously note that we do not know the way out. If we did we would be doing it successfully. Everything we think we know, other than change will happen, may be wrong. We may need to listen for that which we don’t know, and that requires acknowledging ignorance and uncertainty.

Through these forms of listening and paying attention, solutions for collective personal problems can arise, you can share them, and test them. Although not everything that appears to be a solution will be, no matter how much you might want it to be.

All of this change process may be reinforced by ‘climate conversations‘ in which you talk with trusted others about feelings about climate and feelings about the political responses we are suffering, and discuss the ‘images’ which arise. The idea is not to get worked up with rage or distress, but to allow feelings, ideas and metaphors to surface. To become aware of processes of which you are currently not aware.

Change is partly social and partly psychological. It requires people to venture into the unknown, but with care…. World views and habits can change and be replaced.

One important thing is to support mainstream efforts to change, but to note they are probably going to be too slow – don’t expect that government or corporations will save you. Hence the climate generosity and supporting organisations which support it.

If you do the work, then not only may you give up the habits and worldviews that are holding you back, you may come to realise that working together at a local level is something you can influence strongly.

You can try to find the best way of setting up your own community energy situation with others. There are myriads of ways that people have attempted to raise money for this, and organise it. Try and explore some advocacy organisations and sites, and ask for help.

That will teach you about problems, and you can then try and change policies, as well as talk to other groups.

More Diamonds: Diamond Points: 4-7

October 3, 2021

Continuing from: More on Diamond’s first three points

And I’m still not past the first chapter….

The Next points

Diamond point 4) Get Help from Others

I’ve already mentioned the probable need to team up with others, talk to others, get fresh perspectives, and support (preferably mutual). Other people or nations, can perhaps lend (or gift) you resources for a time. Humans are social animals, the more ties the better (in general – introverts may disagree, but it still helps). Your own view of yourself, may not be that accurate, you need those fresh perspectives, and you gain more power, competence and effect working with others – provided you don’t try and set up a hierarchy. Cooperation magnifies effects.

Possibly important here: “good communication is only possible between equals”.

However, choose your helpers wisely. If you choose the wrong people, you can end up losing power and competence. You can end up in a restricting and harmful cult, which appears safe. Getting help is a risk, like most other choices, but if you are already sliding downhill you may need to take that risk.

It is probably worth bearing in mind, that many possible solutions may produce new problems, lead to new hazards or new dead ends, yet staying where you are could also be lethal. Continual awareness, and openness to change, is needed….

Diamond point 5) Other People as Models

Other people and other countries may have faced similar problems. You can perhaps learn from them, and learn to emulate them, or at least gain some hope from them. So again you can talk to others, team-up with others, or read about others. Part of the point of Diamond’s book is to learn about countries which have faced problems, and learn from their successes and mistakes. Many people I know have found Jung’s Memories, Dreams, Reflections useful in their personal lives. It certainly opens up possibilities which are not normally perceptible in Western society.

The problem is that some of our current National problems may be unusual. We don’t have, as far as I know, many records of places which have survived ecological collapse or massive changes in climate. If you know of any, then please indicate them in the comments section, and I’ll lift them up here, with acknowledgements.

Another problem occurs when we choose a bad example to emulate. Lots of people embraced neoliberalism, because powerful nations did. It rarely helped them solve all their problems.

Diamond Point 6) Ego Strength/National Identity

This is a point I have problems with, because to me, ego derives from what you are aware of, as produced by the theories, culture, conditioning, habit and experience you have had. The ego is a form of directed consciousness, with accepted ‘truths’. This idea is supported, so some extent, by Diamond comparing ego-strength to national identity, which I guess can be thought of as, what a dominant portion of the nation thinks it is like and what that dominant portion of the nation thinks its members share. Ego is absolutely necessary, but it is also a restriction.

My guess is that ego-strength is very useful if the problems are not complex and do not require big changes, but this does not mean it is always useful, or always non-destructive. For example, national identity can be both delusional and a source of problems, and may need to change. For example, if Germany, Japan or Italy had kept their ‘fascist,’ or militaristic, identity (yes Japan was different, but there are enough similarities) then they could not have adapted to the post-war world at all – they would simply have gone on damaging themselves, or provoking others to damage them. If a nation has constructed an identity around ‘race’ and national kinship, it is probably going to have internal fights and commit crimes if its leaders want it to be ‘pure’. The nation is going to consume energy which could probably have been better spent adapting to its new world. Similarly, if a person has constructed an ego around the idea of them being useless, exploitative, or always correct, then they don’t want more strength behind those ideas; they may need ego opening, not ego strength. They probably need some flexibility or flow, not more ego strength.

“Self pride” in an identity may mean that you are unlikely to change, or adapt, or even see the problem. Pride implies staying the same, or even disparaging others and refusing to learn from them.

As another possible example. If national or personal ego is invested in ‘free markets’, or fossil fuel use, then it may be close to impossible to face climate change because, these factors are part of the probable causes of climate change. Facing climate change may mean impacting fossil fuel companies and fossil fuel use, ‘harmfully’. However, keeping the ego strong may mean not abandoning these positions ever, as abandoning a fundamental value seems weak, and on the other side, they may have no belief that anything can compensate for a lack of fossil fuels or free markets. Being open to fossil fuel use, and what people call ‘free markets,’ needing to be changed, requires the ego to be open to alteration, and that is more than just ego strength – even if it is a form of strength.

The ego that has grown to produce a problem, may not be the best place from which to overcome the problem.

However, while ego-strength may not always be worth while; it is certainly correct that giving up, apathy, or hopelessness (in everything) also seem harmful. So a person or a nation might need to have a capacity for resilience, for recognising something beyond mere identity, a capacity to keep on going, to keep learning, to keep focused, and to discard ideas which are harmful to themselves and others, or which are now useless. That is, they may need to change conscious, change ego, or change national identity. This means that fencing off what works, (Diamond point 3) is an ongoing process of alteration, not a one-off event.

At this moment, I can’t think of a good word for this persistence and willingness to change (tenacity, resolve, responsibility?), but ‘ego-strength’ is not it.

Diamond Pont 7) Self Appraisal

Diamond ties the ability to do honest self-appraisal to ego strength. Obviously, I’m not so sure. The ego, or the national identity, is a form of directed consciousness, and unless that consciousness is open to change, and strong enough to change or suspend its ‘truths’ for a moment, it is hard to give honest appraisal, or be open to new ‘visions’ and understandings.

With a strong commitment to the ego. It is much easier to give a dishonest and comforting self-appraisal. This again is where blame, shadow politics and condemnation is handy: we are not part of the problem, it is them, all evil them whoever they are. If we attack them harder, then all our problems will disappear. Sometimes that may be true in part, but if you are that good, then why are they the problem?

Ego strength can lead to the rejection of other’s help and advice, because accepting that advice implies you are not perfect or strong.

How do you tell the difference between honest self-appraisal, and mistaken comforting self appraisal which flatters your ego? This is not easy, as it is both you that is deciding, and you that have the problems. This may also require listening to others, and relaxing the hold of existing beliefs, which are harming you.

We need the strength to go beyond our ego, and to stick with the task of facing reality and heading into the unknown.

Concluding comments

Self motivated change is NOT easy. it is a struggle. It is easier to stay where you are, strengthen your ego beliefs, blame others and die. And we have more points to go.

Continued in: Diamond Points: 8-12

Capitalism, disorder, sociopathy

September 10, 2021

This is a response to a response, elsewhere online, to my definition of capitalism post.

Their argument is that the features I determined to be part of capitalism, are not part of capitalism, not found in any dictionary definition of capitalism and are found elsewhere. They argue that wealthy people are not sociopaths but quite nice, and this is backed by research…. They also say that with no profit, there is no sustainability.

I will suggest that:

  • My definition is useful and does not delete important features of capitalism as system.
  • While I am dubious that the capitalist elite are specially virtuous, I did not argue that wealthy people have to be sociopaths for them to be a problem, they just have to team up to support what they see as their own interests, and this teaming up seems obvious and ‘natural’.
  • It is useful to remember that sometimes capitalist organisations do commit crimes, and override the liberty of other people.
  • You cannot separate capitalism, capitalist government and capitalist economics. Economic action is political action and vice versa.

Defining capitalism

I agree that all the factors I have described as being part of capitalism are possibly found elsewhere. That is not the point. The point is that they are nearly all part of any actually existing capitalisms. I don’t think you can discuss the functioning of capitalism by ignoring those factors or pretending they are irrelevant. As far as I can see, no form of capitalism has ever existed without most of these factors. Certainly modern capitalism appears to hold them all, and the fact that it does hold to most of these features, means that it cannot support liberty (collective or individual), for anyone other than some of the wealth elites. Capitalism needs to be considered as a system of power as much as a system of trade. Capitalism requires a State and will take over that State, to expand its power and security.

This is why I cannot support a definition of capitalism that pretends capitalism is (for instance) just a form of private property and trade. Trade happens everywhere (even in communist States), and is no inherent sign of capitalism. There are many forms of trade which are not capitalist. Likewise, if we are going to talk about ‘private’ property as being central to capitalism (which it is), we have to talk about the different forms of property, the history of property, the history of property accumulation, the destruction of other forms of property by capitalism, and look at how private property gets selected out from general production. To understand capitalism you probably have to understand non-capitalist and stateless societies, otherwise capitalism might just seem ‘natural’ to people who have lived with it alone. It is not ‘natural’ in any sense other than it can exist.

These kinds of overly simple definitions are like saying communism occurs when the workers own and control the means of production in common and live happily ever after. It is true in ideology, but we have to ignore a lot of history, organisation, practice and failings to make it an accurate description of large scale Communism.

Capitalism is a set of variations on a form of social organisation that seems to require, and enforce, hierarchies, inequalities and destruction. Any form of analysis of, or support for, capitalism that decides these unpleasant factors are unimportant, or accidental, seems inaccurate, and is probably dangerous or ‘ideological’ because it is set on being unconscious, and is refusing to deal with the realities of actually existing capitalism.

The pretense of perfection is part of the problem

Nearly all hierarchies and tyrannical systems, I am aware of, pretend that their cruelties, obstructions, miseries, failures, inability to meet their ideals, and so on, are aberrations, or nothing to do with the ‘real’ system. The Islamic world would be in perfect peace and harmony if people were truly just obeying God’s obvious and wise laws and there were no infidels stirring up trouble – the system itself is not a problem. Communists would not require a State or a secret police if they had completely succeeded in the revolution, and these temporary necessities, will fade away when they have succeeded. They are not essential parts of communism – the system itself is not a problem. We would have a healthy, happy and peaceful Germany without the Jews, and other people who keep fighting against the true wisdom of the Führer, and who wish to hold us back – the system itself is not a problem… etc etc.

Same with capitalism, all this undesirable stuff is just an accident of history or the fault of government; it has nothing to do with ‘real’ capitalism – the system itself is not a problem. This move supports a fantasy of a capitalism which has never existed, and substitutes that fantasy for the more checkered reality.

I’m also not alleging that all monetary profit is bad (although there are other forms of profit, social, intellectual, spiritual, ecological etc, which are probably as important). I am alleging that making monetary profit the only value is quite probably harmful, as it appears to suppress other all the other values, and shuts down, or restricts, our perception of reality to what makes profit. It also makes wealth the major marker of virtue, and thus allows people to sell (or buy) anything, as their only principle is wealth accumulation, and wealth is the most all-encompassing power, as it can buy any other power. More importantly, the drive for perpetually increasing profit, is almost undoubtedly harmful and counters any sustainability criteria such as the survival of other people, or ‘nature’. It is an example of the case in which a drive might be useful at an individual level, but is harmful if everyone does it. It also becomes almost impossible to survive by not doing it, if everyone else does it – you are likely to get bought out, and either asset stripped, or converted into an increasing profit organisation.

Disorder Theory

If a system nearly always displays recurrent features or failings (no matter how unpleasant or apparently unrequired), then those features are part of the system. And if you want to describe or improve the system, you have to understand how the system really works in its total mess, recognising that everything effects everything else, and nothing in the system is isolated from the system. Accidents pass, but recurrent features are likely to be significant features.

I call this realisation ‘disorder theory’. The statement that social modes of ordering tend to produce the disordering and unintended consequences, that they consider threatening, is not popular. People will try and separate out the order which they declare ‘good’, from the disorder they ignore, declare ‘bad’ or irrelevant, or someone else’s fault – but they all occur together as part of the order.

The idea, pretty obviously, stems from depth psychology, in which it is asserted that we repress parts of our nature, inclinations and understandings (our psychological and biological systems) so as to fit in with our familial and social situation, and that this repression bites back in the forms of symptoms which disrupt our ability to fit in, or to live in any kind of satisfying sense. However, we are encouraged to pretend that these symptoms are unreal, or personal, rather than generated by the social system of order itself. No matter how common, they are said to not be essential parts of our faulty adaptation to social reality.

The Virtuous Billionaire

The connection between wealth, morals and social organisation seems complex. See these popular references with a mixture of arguments – some of which tells of the same research from different perspectives [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24]. There are a growing number of ethnographies of corporations and financial services organisations, which could add to our understandings of how customs and conventions can increase harmful behaviour.

However, it seems obvious that ‘dominating hierarchies’ will tend claim that their ruling elites are superior in some way, either because god has chosen them, because their rulership is natural, or perhaps because they are particularly virtuous or particularly talented. The dominant class nearly always claims to exemplify a special set of virtues.

In aristocracies, the dominant groups are said to be noble, learned, valiant, different beings to peasants, placed in power by God, and so forth.

In theocracies the dominant groups are said to be holy, knowledgeable of scripture, wise, keep to the laws rigorously, touched by god, in direct communication with god, etc.

In bureaucracies the elite have unquestionable loyalty to the state, are thorough, knowledgeable, honest, familiar with regulations, good hearted, neutral, refined etc.

In capitalism, the elites are rich, hard working, noble, trustworthy, uniquely talented, self-sacrificing for their vision and so on.

This claim can be true of some. I assume some high-up people in the Catholic Church are religious, and do live relatively holy lives. But it may not be correct about all of them. One Marcus Aurelius does not make up for loads of Commoduses, or people selected to the throne because the guard thought they could control them, or who were crazy enough to kill everyone else first. Same with capitalists. Not all billionaires have earned their wealth. Some inherited it. Some were massively lucky. Some likely destroyed or copied the work of others. Some appear massively incompetent, completely untrustworthy and are well known for ripping people off or vindictive revenge. Some might once have been reasonable people, but lost it as power and wealth corrupted them. Donald Trump should end the argument about the inherent virtue and good will of all billionaires, even if you think that Warren Buffett and George Soros may be good people. Trump’s corruption was well known to everyone who read the US business pages before his election, although this was largely ignored by the entrepreneur worshipping US corporately-owned media.

If the society is literate, there may be a whole literature teaching you how to cultivate the virtues the elite are supposed to have. This not only gives readers hope of social mobility, but it sanctifies the elite – who do this naturally, or perhaps after a sinful youth. There are hagiographic books telling you how smart, or holy, or whatever these people are; some of these get quickly forgotten when it becomes obvious their heroes were not smart or consistently good at what they do (Al Dunlap?). There are even books glorifying Donald Trump as the most talented man who ever lived and which claim to teach you the secret of rising from nothing like he supposedly did. Some books point out how he has been blessed by God, to bring righteousness to business and America. Such books should be recognised as what they are, propaganda tools, which is not to say they cannot ever be useful. Stoicism is as valid for Emperors as for the poor. And books of exposure, may attract law suits, or other forms of revenge, like Trump Nation did, so the elites are protected.

Why then do people co-operate with ‘bad’ but powerful and wealthy people? Sometimes, people may not read the business press and learn, for example, that working for Trump is only rarely a good deal. However, we can assume that more often people work for business people for the same reason they work for dictators (why did people not kill Stalin in advance?), because they hope the money and power will flow down, because the person only occasionally goes off the edge, because it seems safer to be an associate than an enemy, because you don’t recognise you are expendable, because you like being close to power and wealth, because you think you are smarter than them, because you think their selfishness will help you manipulate them, because you have seen what happens to businesses that challenge them, because they are good liars and promisers, because they are exciting, because you hope they will look kindly on you and leave you alone, and sometimes because they are well-intentioned and kind people, who kill thousands with the best intentions. Perhaps corrupt people work for corrupt people, so it becomes a self-reinforcing circle. Most people who work for them, do so because if they don’t work for them, or somebody like them, then they will starve.

In other words powerful capitalists get people to work with them or for them, just like other powerful elites get people to work for them. Politicians who lie, should lose trust, and people should abandon them, but Donald Trump again demonstrates that supporters won’t necessarily move away no matter what; they may deny obvious lies, declare the lies are unimportant, or decide the lies are true, they may argue that the person’s failures only occur because of a monstrous conspiracy. Indeed because politicians depend upon good moral standing, good interpersonal skills, being obsessively focused and productive, with an ability to deal with incredibly complex situations and balance all kinds of competing interests, that to pull political success off they must be honourable, or they will not succeed. People in the opposing parties (and their supporters) are already against them to begin with, some of their own party want to replace them with themselves, and some people are generally against successful people in any case. They have to be good. The logic is sound, but of course it is inadequate to describe reality, just as it is inadequate to describe the reality of corporate power. People get to occupy positions of power and wealth for all kinds of reasons, not least inheritance.

Sociopathy and Wealth

I’m not actually alledging anything about wealth and sociopathy, other than:

  1. Some people allege capitalist (and other) managerial structures could select for sociopathy or even create it by creating distance between people, and power over ‘less worthy people’… This is not inherently implausible.
  2. I can’t see any reason why sociopaths would not be attracted to making money, or why they would not be good at it, or again why making heaps of money would not encourage social separation, feelings of dominance, and hence what we can call ‘sociopathy’.

Now this does not mean that all the wealthy are sociopaths or psychopaths, or whatever label you want to use. I am not arguing that billionaires have to be ‘bad people,’ just that, like most humans, they will team up to bend policy and politics to favour what they perceive as their common interests. This should not surprise anyone. In a capitalist society, money talks loudly and persuasively.

To repeat, a person does not have to be a sociopath to team up with others to support what they consider to be their joint interests, dominance, security or place in ‘The Market’. It would be incredibly surprising if wealth elites did not act this way with the aim of pushing their interests in the State, and they have the money to do it successfully, especially if they team up. And this is pretty much what we observe in modern politics.

The fact that libertarians, Austrian economic theorists and so on, do not recognise this as an issue, while being fully capable of recognising that other people (workers, politicians) can team up to interfere with ‘The Market’, is interesting.

And it seems logical that people who could buy their way out of the penalties of law, or consider fines as costs, would not fear the consequences of illegal acts; consequences are for lesser people.

I just read that a family who profited from opiate addiction and death, have managed to escape prosecution through bankruptcy and largely keep their fortunes. They apparently show no remorse or feel there is any need to compensate families. Defending their wealth might come first? Sociopathy?

Likewise where I live people are being thrown out of their homes, doctors’ advice about pollution is being ignored, limits to liability are much smaller than the evidence suggests they should be, contracts being signed before Environmental inquiries held etc… all to make money for a toll road company. Let’s be clear. People will die because of this, houses have and will fall down, and there is nothing anyone could do to stop it. Protests and political campaigns were ignored. This is a bought State in action, defending profit maximisation at all costs. Sociopathy, or normality?

Most of the damage to the Earth’s ecology is owned by a very small percentage of the Earth’s population. But they get away with it, even when there is now no real excuse to pretend such damage is not a problem. Indeed we know that fossil fuel companies have been fighting against recognition of climate science for years, deliberately creating the conditions for mass loss of property and life, to keep making profits. Instead they had rather blame population growth. Sociopathy? Maybe. Capitalism, yes.

I should not need to mention:

  • Tobacco companies, and the trade in death they did quite well out of, and are still doing well out of, and still searching for new customers to kill.
  • Slave traders arguing they were civilising and rescuing savages while delivering them to kindly masters who had an interest in looking after them
  • Finance companies shifting costs on to those they ripped off, or the general behaviour of finance companies in the lead up to the crash of 2007-8, and its aftermath
  • Arms manufacturers who want to sell to terrorists
  • I’ve previously mentioned the East India Company’s plunder of India. But to add to it, they cut off the thumbs of hundreds of weavers in Bengal to maintain their profit on imported cloth, but this was more or less normal for companies
  • Other capitalists have had workers working in dangerous and unhealthy conditions, because workers may not have any alternatives. The mid to late 19th Century free market generated many quite unsettling stories and reports about this, and workers had to join together and fight hard for their safety.

Conclusion

To understand capitalism, you have to understand real, existing, forms of capitalism, not ideal forms which do not exist and have never existed, and which only exist as ideas to justify the actually existing forms of capitalism and pretend they are other than what they are.

To be able to prevent tyranny you have to be able to stop it from occurring, and that includes tyranny of the State, tyranny of wealth, tyranny of religion, tyranny of violence, tyranny of landholding, tyranny of control of communication and information, tyranny of control of energy, and tyranny of enforcing valued social categories.

If you want to stop the tyranny of the State, then you need to dismantle or inhibit the State. If you want to stop the tyranny of religion, then you have to diffuse the power of the Church, or the organisation of religions and introduce more religions…. If you want to stop the tyranny of wealth, you need to opposed the way the wealth is organised and passed on to the next generation. If you don’t then the tyranny will become established….

This sets up a paradox, that for some people to have liberty, the power of other people to deprive them of liberty must be curtailed. This can either be done by an independent power, which is likely to become arbitrary, or by attempting to set up a more participatory system of governance, by allowing such customs such as demand giving, or distribution of wealth and property at death, to non-family members, or simply destruction of that wealth.

If you cannot stop accumulation of power occurring then you have surrendered and there is no liberty. Libertarians do not acknowledge the power of wealth, or the power of organisation by the wealthy, or consider it an accident, and not part of the social functioning of wealth. They do not seem to promote limits to the authority of wealth.

Of course ‘liberty’ may not be the only social virtue to begin with.

Finally, we are in a situation in which the US political party of corporate domination, is:

1) Ignoring major problems with capitalism and ecology because it affects corporate sponsorship,
2) Pretending that the wealthy and the poor have the equal liberty to avoid a pandemic and get good treatment,
3) Preventing businesses from protecting their staff and customers from the pandemic,
4) Trying to prohibit teachers from talking about the history of race in America,
5) Lying about an election result with no evidence that will hold up in court,
6) Attempting to restrict votes that will go to their opponents, and
7) Attempting to restrict investigations into an apparent attempted coup.

Like the corporate and aristocratic backers of nazism, the right seem to be trying to hold capitalism and its hierarchy stable by cultivating an authoritarian, non-democratic State. This may be the standard capitalist response to crisis. It may not be the only such response. Again it needs thinking about.