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Nuclear Energy and the Greens

January 11, 2021

The issue

Nuclear advocates in Australia often blame the Greens for the complete lack of nuclear energy in that country. They may argue that the Greens are obstacles to climate action in general, and try and prove this by saying the Greens opposed the first Carbon pricing scheme.

A1) Greens are not that powerful

The main problem with this argument is that the Greens are not that powerful.

While the Greens do oppose nuclear energy, because they think problems with it (such as waste, rare but massive accidents) have not been solved, if the two major parties wish to ignore them, then the Greens are ignored, as is the case with economic policy, or coal mining.

The Greens do not own or control any media, they don’t have regular spots on media, and generally cannot even get their policies reported, other than with denigration and inaccuracy. They have close to no public propaganda force, they can use, unlike the other parties (particularly the Coalition).

Neither the Coalition nor Labor have a pro-nuclear policy which is disrupted by the Greens. The Coalition has been in government a long time, and nothing has happened. During their time in power there has been zero levels of research into nuclear energy generation, zero nuclear energy generation, and zero plans for nuclear energy generation. Lucas Heights does not count; it primarily exists for small experiments and medical isotope generation. The Greens cannot be blamed for this ongoing situation. If either of the major parties wanted anything different, then it would have happened.

If you want to blame anyone blame the Coalition or Labor, or the electorate in general for worrying about where the reactors would be placed.

A2: Carbon Pricing

Greens also get blamed for the failure of carbon pricing in Australia. This story is not entirely accurate. Again the Greens where the minor party. If Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Leader of the Opposition Malcolm Turnbull could have agreed on a carbon trading scheme then it would have gone ahead. They did not. Turnbull lost the support of his party, probably because of its cheerful connection with fossil fuel companies. Can’t blame the Greens for that.

Rudd refused to negotiate with the Greens. He just told them to take it or leave it. Can’t blame the Greens for rejecting that strategy either.

Even so, the Greens also took note of Treasury modelling which implied the Rudd policy was extremely expensive and would not reduce carbon emissions for a long time. Given Rudd’s failure to get the Coalition to support a policy similar to the one the Coalition went into the election proposing, the Greens cannot be blamed for his failure. The Coalition was the obstacle.

Furthermore, the Greens worked with Gillard to get a system which did not rip off ordinary taxpayers and which lowered emissions almost immediately. It was not perfect, but it was much better. It also shows what Rudd could have achieved, if he had chosen to work with the Greens, rather than against them and with the Coalition.

The Gillard scheme was destroyed by the Coalition. Not the Greens. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the Coalition would not have destroyed any form of carbon pricing, given their love for fossil fuel companies.

Again the Greens cannot be blamed for this.

Failings of nuclear Advocates

It may be personal experience bias, but I more often read nuclear advocates arguing against renewables than I read them arguing against fossil fuels. Just as I read them opposing declarations of climate emergency or emissions targets. So I’m not sure I agree about the innocence of nuclear advocates. There is certainly no attempt to win allies in the Greens, just lecture them and blame them.

It is also extremely hard to evaluate nuclear plans that do not exist in reality, which almost no one has any enthusiasm for, and for a kind of truly enormous project which Australia has no commercial experience with. Current total energy generation in Australia is about 265 TWh per year; Hinkley Point in the UK is supposed to be able to generate 3,260MW (not sure over what time period, the text is ambiguous, but I presume a year). That is a reasonable number of reactors to build from scratch, in time to mitigate climate change, and there are no local companies which could be expected to carry out such a project.

Conclusion

Green obstacles to climate action are trivial when compared to the Coalition. It would be more practical to try and get the Coalition onside for nuclear climate action if anyone useful was really serious about nuclear power, but we all can be pretty sure that is not going to happen. And I’m reasonably sure there is no real attempt by anyone with any capacity to build nuclear power, to get it going.

Nuclear Energy in 2021

January 10, 2021

1) After about 70 years of building, nuclear is at about 5% of the world’s total energy supply according to the IEA.

2) If nuclear energy is going to be our saviour, then it needs the same exponential growth that renewables require. A growth it has never sustained in the world as a whole over those 70 years.

3) At the moment there is almost no serious agitation in Australia from politicians or business for even one nuclear power station, never mind the number we need to replace all use of coal, gas and oil.

4) On the other hand, there is agitation from business to build renewables, despite the best efforts of the Federal government to discourage this and promote a “gas led recovery” as the alternative to renewables. The government is not promoting nuclear as an alternative.

5) Avoiding declarations of climate emergency and the setting of emissions targets, as seems common amongst nuclear proponents, does nothing to help energy transition or nuclear energy. Indeed it resists recognising the need for such transitions. No one is going to transition to nuclear for the hell of it.

6) For nuclear energy to work, just as for renewables to work, we need to encourage electrification of all energy use, and the construction of a decent electrical infrastructure. This agitation, again, seems rare amongst nuclear proponents.

7) We could argue that nuclear proponents appear to aim at slowing and hindering transition to renewables, and hence any realistic energy transition at all. Therefore it is possible to suggest that they are inadvertently(?) assisting fossil fuel companies to stay in business.

8) Nuclear proponents in Australia don’t have to behave like this. They could argue for a transition which simply requires:

  • a) recognition of climate emergency, to help boost action,
  • b) emissions targets (perhaps with the addition of a carbon price) to help boost action,
  • c) general electrification, and construction of a new electrical infrastructure to cope that electrification,
  • d) complete phase out of coal, gas and oil for use and export,
  • e) money for research into energy sources with high energy return on energy input (EREI) and low greenhouse-gas emissions, and
  • f) nuclear as one of the energy sources we might need along with renewables or other possible sources.

But sadly this seems rare. They are generally more interested in slapping the Greens, as if with the Greens blamed, transition will just occur by itself.

More on nuclear energy again

July 13, 2020

Some while ago I wrote that, whatever the advantages of nuclear energy, no one is seriously looking at investing in building it in Australia, and nuclear energy seems to be primarily used as a rod to beat climate activists with (“you are hypocrites because nuclear energy could save us”). However if no one is trying to build it, or wanting to build it, then it becomes a distraction from problems, even worse than Carbon Capture and Storage.

A few days after writing that post, a friend wrote to me, saying that nuclear energy was ‘on the table’…. They said, and this is paraphrased a little:

In December 2019 a report called “Not without your approval” was prepared by the Environment and Energy Committee was presented to parliament. It’s available here. It proposes three recommendations to the Commonwealth Government.

1) that it consider the prospect of nuclear technology as part of its future energy mix
2) that it undertake a body of work to progress the understanding of nuclear technology in the Australian context
3) that it consider lifting the current moratorium on nuclear energy partially—that is, for new and emerging nuclear

Subject to assessment of technology and a commitment to community consent for approving nuclear facilities.

This is absolutely correct. The recommendations of the Committee are possibly a step towards doing something, but we shall have to see. I would think that if community consent for wind farms is difficult, then it would be close to impossible to obtain that consent for nukes.

However, as far as I can tell from the Parliamentary records, although a motion was tabled in February to speak to this report, it has not been discussed as yet (last tabled 18 June).

I may be wrong here, because it can be difficult to follow parliamentary procedure. But it certainly does not seem to have been greeted with eagerness, or even formally noted.

The Federal Government’s response to Covid has shown little sign of interest in building or funding, or raising the question of nuclear energy. This is perhaps surprising given that the massive subsidies which are being proposed for Gas and gas pipelines, which do emit methane and other GHGs. Although the stacking of the committee making recommendations with fossil fuel people, might explain this.

I, at least, have heard nothing from the Federal government of a move to free up the path for nuclear energy, which is what would be needed, given the legislation that prevents it from happening.

Now the leader of the National Party and Deputy Premier. John Barilaro, in NSW, part of the Coalition, did at one time say the NSW Nationals would support Mark Latham’s (One Nation) bill to allow nuclear energy in NSW, However the government’s own Energy Minister, Matt Kean, stressed the government’s focus was on “cheap reliable energy” as provided by renewables.

Barilaro later told a budget estimates hearing the matter would first need to be considered by the party room as well as the cabinet. There are people in the party room who are strongly opposed to nukes, especially if the reactors where to be in their electorates. Mr Barilaro, himself, was in favour of “small nuclear reactors”, which he called “the iphone of reactors”. However, in response to questioning he said he was aware these did not exist, but which “we know is on the horizon”. He also said he welcomed it in his own electorate.

In this context, it is worth exploring the estimated costs of small nuclear reactors. The Gencost 2019-20 report by the CSIRO and the Australian Energy Market Operator concludes that the cost of energy through small nuclear reactors would be $16,304 per kilowatt (kW) [these figures are from RenewEconomy. I do not know where their exact figures come from, but the graphs in the Gencost report give the price per kW as over $16,000], which would need massive reduction to be economical. Which of course could happen.

RenewEconomy comments on the cost of small nuclear reactors being built or just built:

There is just one operational SMR, Russia’s floating plant. Its estimated cost is US$740 million for a 70 MW plant. That equates to A$15,200 per kW – similar to the CSIRO/AEMO estimate of A$16,304 per kW.

Over the course of construction, the cost quadrupled and a 2016 OECD Nuclear Energy Agency report said that electricity produced by the Russian floating plant is expected to cost about US$200 (A$288) per megawatt-hour (MWh) with the high cost due to large staffing requirements, high fuel costs, and resources required to maintain the barge and coastal infrastructure….

The World Nuclear Association states that the cost of China’s high-temperature gas-cooled SMR (HTGR) is US$6,000 (A$8,600) per kW….

Argentina’s Bariloche Atomic Center… By April 2017, the cost estimate had increased [to] US$21,900 (A$31,500) per kW (US$700 million / 32 MW).

Small modular reactor rhetoric hits a hurdle. RenewEconomy 23 June 2020

The GenCost Report says:

there is no hard data to be found on nuclear SMR.
While there are plants under construction or nearing completion, public cost data has not emerged from these early stage developments….. Past experience has indicated that vendor-based estimates are often initially too low

Constructing first-of-a-kind plant includes additional unforeseen costs associated with lack of experience in completing such projects on budget. SMR will not only be subject to first-of-a-kind costs in Australia but also the general engineering principle that building plant smaller leads to higher costs.

SMRs may be able to overcome the scale problem by keeping the design of reactors constant and producing them in a series. This potential to modularise the technology is likely another source of lower cost estimates. However, even in the scenario where the industry reaches a scale where small modular reactors can be produced in series, this will take many years to achieve and therefore is not relevant to estimates of current costs

Gencost p.4

The estimated costs for nukes is about twice that of black coal with CCS <!> and about 8 times that of solar PV or wind (GenCost p.5). Only gas without CCS is cheaper than renewables. Gencost remarks “we should see more competitive costs [for nukes] from the late 2020s assuming planned projects go ahead” (p.15).

These figures are sure to be disputed. Giles Parkinson, who does favour renewable energy, remarked of submissions to an inquiry:

The nuclear lobby has largely given up on existing nuclear technology, recognising that the repeated cost blow-outs and delays means that it is too expensive, too slow and not suited for Australia’s grid…

Parkinson. Why the nuclear lobby makes stuff up about cost of wind and solar. RenewEconomy 23 October 2019

So they have been promoting the new small reactor technology which is just off being ranked as fantasy, and certainly has no long term data, and

insisting to the parliamentary inquiry that wind and solar are four to seven times the cost of nuclear, and to try and prove the point the lobby has been making such extraordinary and outrageous claims that it makes you wonder if anything else they say about nuclear – its costs and safety – can be taken seriously…. When it comes to wind, solar and batteries, they just make stuff up.

Parkinson. Why the nuclear lobby makes stuff up about cost of wind and solar. RenewEconomy 23 October 2019

So it’s all a bit confused, but as far as I know NSW does not have the power to act alone on this, even if small nuclear reactors were a settled and cheap technology – which they don’t appear to be.

My friend then wrote:

In reference to the second part of your question about who in Australian industry is seeking to build nuclear power plants, here is a list of seven submissions, made between September 2019 & April 2020. There is an eighth still in process of publication https://www.brightnewworld.org/submissions.

As far as I can see, Brightnewworld seems to be a guy, and some friends in a bedroom or an office, somewhere, trying to become a registered NGO. They have no obvious ways of raising finance to engage in actual nuclear reactor building, although they are soliciting corporate donations to support the organisation.

They primarily seem to be an information organisation, not investors. So they do not count, any more than writers in the Murdoch Empire. They could be as much a part of the distraction process as anything else.

Continuing.

The World Nuclear Association reports on nuclear power prospects in Australia & states that in November 2018 the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) completed a 12-day integrated regulatory review service mission focused on ARPANSA (Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Act) to assess the regulatory framework for nuclear and radiation safety in Australia.

While interesting, the World Nuclear Association report is primarily about uranium mining. It does mention that the ARPANS Act 1998 would have to be repealed to get nuclear energy going, but does not seem to indicate that anyone of any significance is interested in repealing it, or that there is any near future prospects for nuclear energy in Australia.

I’m also not sure if the IAEA “assess[ing] the regulatory framework for nuclear and radiation safety in Australia,” has anything to do with real agitation for building reactors either. It could just be checking the regulations, and seems to be something the IAEA would do for any country that had a reactor and mining. As far as I can tell from the annual report for the year 2018, the “integrated regulatory review service mission” was primarily concerned with radiation safety and education, not with changing legislation or promoting nuclear energy.

Another friend wrote:

Given our geography (pretty stable inland where there are few earthquakes or tsunamis etc) and the fact that it can be done in a remote area I think a lot of the risk is not there that is in other countries and I think that’s why it’s being pushed from the back bench of the government – it’s just how many fights the PM wants to take on.

However, I’m not entirely sure nuclear energy can be done economically in remote areas in Australia, I think reactors are used to generate steam to drive turbines, and require water for the steam and for cooling.

Given that we happily give coal mines masses of water, which is polluted by its uses, we could possibly allow reactors to consume the Artesian basin, but that is probably not a good idea in the long term, assuming we want anyone to be able to live and farm outback, with the increasing droughts.

The last serious proposal I know of, for nuclear power was at Jarvis Bay using sea water (after it was purified). It might be possible to have a closed circuit water cycle, but I don’t know how often its been done. I gather there are non-water cooled reactors, but at this moment I can’t tell if they are primarily experimental or not – some sites claim they are and some claim they are standard if rare. There is always a lot of hype about new tech. They may still use water for steam.

You also use water to cover the fuel rods.

The point is that they would probably end up being built on the coast, in relatively fertile regions. So I don’t see this happening, even if people were agitating for it

Altogether, I don’t really see that much evidence that agitation for nuclear energy in Australia is not a fantasy or distraction from the real problems we face. Given that any such successful agitation for nuclear energy will face considerable opposition, this will significantly add to the time frame of building the reactors, which is important as we need emissions reductions now not in 20 years. However, we could be surprised, and something useful might happen.

On Nuclear Energy – again

July 8, 2020

Nuclear energy is frequently brought forward as a solution to the climate problem.

Let us assume that there are indeed only few problems with nuclear energy. That costs do not commonly over-run, that nukes do not produce massively expensive energy, that there are no problems with waste, that while they are much safer than coal fired energy the possibility of catastrophic breakdown is of no concern, that private insurance is easy to obtain, and so on.

Let us assume that everything the nuclear advocates say in favour of nuclear energy is correct, and that there are no drawbacks.

Then the question remains: Who in government or industry [that is amongst people who can actually do something] is actually seeking to build nukes in Australia?

The answer appears to be “no one”.

There is no evidence I know of, that any one reputable in Australia with the capacity to build nukes, is seeking to build them. Hence it is unlikely that nuclear energy is going to be built, or built in time, or built in sufficient quantity to have a useful effect on Australia’s emissions.

No matter how many good people, who cannot actually implement the project, think it is a good idea, nothing will happen in time to make a difference.

Given the lack of desire to build then what is the point of agitating for them?

To me, the whole point of the argument appears to be to propose a fantasy which prevents action from happening on doable fronts, as something super great is going to happen sometime in the future. The idea of nuclear energy functions like carbon capture and storage. It is a distraction from the problems and soothes people into thinking they are doing something, and showing climate activists to be hypocritical hysterics. (This seems to be such a major part of the pro-nuke movement’s rhetoric, that I assume it is essential and not accidental.)

In other words, imaginary nukes seem to be another way of persuading people to stay with Greenhouse Gas emissions for longer, and allow the current decline to continue and the crisis to get worse.

Another factor in the transition is that we use coal and oil for many non electrical processes. To make the transition, nuclear or renewable, we have to electrify as much as we can. Strangely the pro-nuke people rarely mention this cost and difficulty, while renewable people do.

On the other hand, the renewables transition will be difficult, and will require changes to life styles, and industrial arrangements (which happens all the time), but it has started.

We do have people interested in building renewables, more in fact than can currently be accommodated, even with massive discouragement at all levels of government. We have people all over the country installing solar panels on their rooftops, even if the government is striving to make it less economic. We don’t have to pretend there is active interest. However the government would rather spend the money on destructive gas pipelines, than on renewable-adequate grids.

There are also plenty of studies suggesting that it is possible to do a close to 100% renewables transition in Australia, relatively quickly with the right preparation and work. We happen to be blessed with the climate that makes this possible.

The transition to nuclear energy is not happening. Is not being considered by companies or government. Is massively capital intensive, and faces other problems that appear to be unsolved. No party has campaigned on putting nuclear energy in people’s backyards. It is clearly never going to happen in my life time, if ever.

Hence, unless the pro-nuclear advocates can show that there is any real, rather than purely rhetorical, interest anywhere in Australia in building nukes now, there is no point in pretending such a transition will, or could, happen. Lets get on with the renewable transition, without pretending it will be enough to solve all our problems – more needs to be done.

Continued in: More on nuclear energy again

Nuclear Costs

March 6, 2020

An article from RenewEconomy gives some costs for nuclear power in Australian Dollars, but gives no sources for these figures at all. I’m checking into its rough accuracy. We need to note that this investigation is into failed projects, or projects with cost overruns, this may not be normal – but it usually seems to be.

The cost of the two reactors under construction in the US state of Georgia has doubled and now stands at A$20.4‒22.6 billion per reactor. In 2006, Westinghouse said it could build a reactor for as little as A$2.1 billion ‒ 10 times lower than the current estimate….

RenewEconomy (all references to the article linked to above)

These must be referring to Plant Vogtle units 3 and 4. According to the new builders they use:

the Westinghouse AP1000 advanced pressurized water reactor technology. This advanced technology allows nuclear cores to be cooled even in the absence of operator interventions or mechanical assistance. The AP1000 is the safest and most economical nuclear power plant available in the worldwide commercial marketplace, and is the only Generation III+ reactor to receive Design Certification from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC).

Georgia Power

Note this is not a fabled Gen 4 reactor.

Westinghouse was originally doing the build but went bankrupt, and other companies took over. There are a number of different prices for the project circulating, although the price has clearly increased and the build has been delayed, and it is not yet (Mar 2020) finished.

The two new reactors were expected to cost a total of about [US]$14 billion when the expansion was approved by the PSC in 2009, but the latest estimates from analysts put the current cost at [US]$27.5 billion. Units 3 and 4 originally were expected to come online in 2016. The current timetable calls for one reactor to enter commercial operation in November 2021, with the other following in November 2022.

Powermage 19 Feb 2019

Costs have ballooned from an initial budget of about [US]$14.1 billion…. [it] has doubled in price and is running more than five years behind schedule

Alabama.com News 6 Mar 2019

The estimated total price for the project is expected in the [US]$18.7 billion range. 

Construction Equipment Guide 26 Dec 2019

Obviously there is some conflict over the cost. The project has been heavily backed by taxpayers in the form of loan guarantees. Reactors don’t seem to be buildable without heavy public financial risk – and remember one major US company, Westinghouse, has already gone bust over nuclear projects. And this taxpayer cost, or heavy loans, may increase the general price of electricity.

U.S. Energy Secretary Rick Perry… announced… another $3.7 billion in financing guarantees… on top of $8.3 billion in earlier loan guarantees made during the Obama administration, for a total of [US]$12 billion in guarantees backed by taxpayers. 

In addition to safety concerns about Plant Vogtle, critics have assailed the project’s future hit to customers’ wallets in Georgia. Already, typical residential customers of Georgia Power have paid hundreds of dollars over recent years to cover financing costs and company profits on the project….

Unit 3, the first of two new nuclear reactors, was supposed to be finished and operating almost exactly three years ago. Instead, it is now projected to be in service in November 2021. The second reactor, Unit 4, is slated to go in service a year later, in November 2022.

A project that had been underway in South Carolina [also being built by Westinghouse] using the same new reactor design was canceled in recent years as costs soared.  

Atlanta Journal Constitution 22 March 2019

The organisation ‘Taxpayers for Common Sense’ remarks:

If the Vogtle co-owners default on their DOE-guaranteed loans, the loss to taxpayers would be 24 times greater than the $500 million DOE lost on the now-defunct solar power company, Solyndra.

[The] latest estimate means the project is [US]$14 billion over budget and more than 5 years behind schedule….

Taxpayers for Common Sense 21 Mar 2019

There is a cheerful promotion piece from the US Department of Energy, which does not discuss the costs.

The successful completion of Vogtle Units 3 and 4 will set the tone for what could be a nuclear resurgence in the United States….

The new units are the first new reactors to begin construction in America in more than 3 decades.

Energy.gov No date

This last fact alone, clearly indicates nuclear has not been popular with power companies, and the company building the reactors obviously has second thoughts about building more of them..

It probably will be in the 2030s or 2040s before Atlanta-based Southern Company attempts another nuclear construction project, Southern CEO Tom Fanning told analysts Wednesday.

Atlanta Journal Constitution 1May 2109

Further, there is a class action against Georgia Power, accusing them:

of overcharging customers millions of dollars in “cost recoveries” associated with the nuclear expansion project. The lawsuit charges Georgia Power has artificially raised municipal franchisee fees that appear on customers’ monthly bills based on the costs of the nuclear expansion.

Powermage 19 Feb 2019

There is a simple history of the project at Powermag 24 Sep 2018

Back to the RenewEconomy article

a twin-reactor project in South Carolina, was abandoned in 2017 after the expenditure of at least A$13.4 billion. Westinghouse filed for bankruptcy soon after, almost bankrupting its parent company Toshiba in the process.

RenewEconomy

This is presumably referring to the South Carolina reactor mentioned above, which helped Westinghouse go bankrupt. There are also allegations of corrupt processes.

Westinghouse bought thousands of hand-machined nuts that cost $114 each, rather than sturdier, off-the-shelf nuts that retailed for $2.20, according to The Post and Courier. There was a reason for that: Westinghouse got to charge 15 percent overhead on everything it spent. Every thousand nuts meant $17,100 in revenue for the company, rather than the $330 it would have collected if it used the cheaper version….

An audit by Bechtel Corp. two years ago found that the construction plans and design were faulty, and that the project was poorly managed. As one legislator put it, the entire project was “built to fail.”

Governing.com Jan 2018

It is obviously unlikely it was ‘built to fail’. This is more likely to have to do with the way public projects are carried out nowadays, with the aim of making as much profit, or cutting as many costs, as possible, rather than building the best that is possible, or being prepared to adequately deal with the complexity required of nuclear builds. Anyway, as stated previously Westinghouse went bust during this project, and we cannot assume that was deliberate.

South Carolina, in a bid to expand its generation of nuclear power in recent years, dropped [US]$9 billion on a single project — and has nothing to show for it…..

It started in 2008. SCE&G and Santee Cooper announced plans to add two nuclear reactors to the V.C. Summer Nuclear Station in Jenkinsville, South Carolina, and contracted Westinghouse Electric Company, owned by Toshiba, to handle construction. The state’s Public Service Commission (PSC) approved the plan in early 2009, with construction slated to begin in 2012, and the first reactor set to begin operating in 2016…..

Documents released as the project unraveled show that both SCE&G and Santee Cooper were well aware of shortcomings, mismanagement, and lack of oversight that eventually made the reactors impossible to complete, years before Westinghouse declared bankruptcy and both companies pulled out….

Thanks to a state law passed in 2007, residents in South Carolina are footing the bill for a massive failed nuclear reactor program that cost a total of $9 billion. Analysts say that corporate mismanagement and poor oversight means residents and their families will be paying for that failed energy program —  which never produced a watt of energy — for the next 20 years or more.

The Intercept 6 Feb 2019

Customers have already been billed some $2 billion for the reactors. Under current regulations, the utilities continue to collect $37 million per month. That means the average ratepayer is paying an additional $250 per year, or 18 percent of the bill. This could go on for 60 years. 

Governing.com Jan 2018

So failed projects can increase electricity bills, as can successful ones…

former Nuclear Regulatory Commissioner Gregory Jaczko [spoke to] The Intercept… New plants, Jaczko said, take too long to build for the urgency of the climate crisis and simply aren’t cost effective, given advances in renewable energy. “I don’t see nuclear as a solution to climate change,” Jaczko said. “It’s too expensive, and would take too long if it could even be deployed. There are cheaper, better alternatives. And even better alternatives that are getting cheaper, faster.”

“They were allowed to charge the customers for all the money that they spent, plus a return,” Jaczko explained. “Even though they failed to deliver the project.”

The Intercept 6 Feb 2019

As with the Georgia reactor, there are a number of court actions trying to get the money Ratepayers have lost back. Plus court actions from shareholders and workers alleging gross mismanagement.

As an addenda, when looking for info on South Korea, I came across this causal remark about an earlier ‘successful’ venture:

The US’s $6.8 billion Watts Bar Unit 1 reactor in Tennessee had taken 23 years to complete, and cost more than 18 times its original $370 million price tag. 

MIT Technology Review 22 April 2019

Back to RenewEconomy Again.

The cost of the only reactor under construction in France has nearly quadrupled and now stands at A$20.0 billion. The cost of the only reactor under construction in Finland has nearly quadrupled and now stands at A$17.7 billion. The projects in France and Finland are both 10 years behind schedule, and still incomplete.

RenewEconomy

One independent Academic news report states, that, for the French case, Flamanville-3:

Construction started in 2007, with the final cost estimated at 3.3 billion euros. On October 9 the plant’s operator, EDF, annonced new delays, with costs now estimated at 12.4 billion euros and the opening pushed back to 2022 

The Conversation 28 Oct 2019: Stéphanie Tillement & Nicolas Thiolliere

The French Reactor Builders have recently made what seems like an unlikely claim to justify cost increases. If it is to be believed, quality control was almost non-existent:

Electricite de France SA said repairs of faulty welds at a nuclear plant under construction in western France will boost the project’s cost by 14% to 12.4 billion euros ($13.6 billion), adding further financial strain to the cash-strapped atomic power giant…..

EDF has increased its estimated bill for the project by 1.5 billion euros in the latest assessment, it said Wednesday in a statement. The almost-completed plant, which is already seven years behind schedule, won’t be able to load nuclear fuel before the end of 2022 as EDF needs to repair 66 welds, it said….

The budget for Flamanville-3 has more than tripled since construction started in 2007. The repeated setbacks, which have forced EDF to sell assets to curb debt in recent years, contrast with tumbling costs for solar and wind projects…..

The French government has asked EDF to prove by the middle of 2021 that it can build competitively priced nuclear plants to replace some of its 58 aging reactors. Competition from other clean-energy sources is stiff. France, like Britain, is working to step up the pace of building offshore wind farms.

Bloomberg 9 October 2019

Even before this, state environment agency ADEME (Agence de l’Environnement et de la Maîtrise de l’Énergie) said

Building new nuclear reactors in France would not be economical…, contradicting the government’s long-term energy strategy as well as state-owned utility EDF’s investment plans…..

“The development of an EPR-based nuclear industry would not be competitive,” ADEME said, adding that new nuclear plants would be structurally loss-making.

Building a single EPR in 2030 would require 4 to 6 billion euros of subsidies, while building a fleet of 15 with a total capacity of 24 gigawatt-hour by 2060 would cost the state 39 billion euros, despite economies of scale that could bring down the EPR costs to 70 euros per megawatt-hour (MWh), ADEME said…..

The gradual increase of renewables capacity could reduce the pre-tax electricity cost for consumers – including generation, grids and storage – to about 90 euros per MWh, compared to nearly 100 euros today….

EDF – which generates about 75 percent of French electricity with 58 nuclear reactors – declined to comment.

Reuters 11 Dec 2018

The prospects for Nuclear in France does not look good with the recent announcement that:

PARIS (Reuters) – France’s CEA nuclear agency has dropped plans to build a prototype sodium-cooled nuclear reactor, it said on Friday, after decades of research and hundreds of millions of euros in development costs.

Confirming a report in daily newspaper Le Monde, the state agency said it would finalize research in so-called “fourth generation” reactors in the ASTRID (Advanced Sodium Technological Reactor for Industrial Demonstration) project this year and is no longer planning to build a prototype in the short or medium term.

“In the current energy market situation, the perspective of industrial development of fourth-generation reactors is not planned before the second half of this century,” the CEA said.

Reuters 30 August 2019

The Finish Reactor called Olkiluoto 3

The EPR reactor in western Finland is already more than a decade behind schedule and had been due to start producing electricity in January 2020.

RenewEconomy

in October 2003, TVO announced that Framatome ANP’s 1600 MWe European Pressurized Water Reactor (EPR) was the preferred reactor on the basis of operating cost. Siemens was contracted to provide the turbines and generators. TVO signed a €3.2 billion turnkey contract with Areva NP and Siemens for an EPR unit in December 2003, with commercial operation expected in mid-2009…..

The [new 2018] agreement states that the supplier companies are entitled to an “incentive payment” of €150 million “upon timely completion” of the project. At that time the schedule was for grid connection in December 2018, and commercial operation in May 2019 – some 10 years behind schedule…. In April 2019, the target date was pushed back again to March 2020, and in July 2019, it was moved to July 2020….

The Areva-Siemens consortium was claiming €3.52 billion against TVO in relation to the delay and cost overruns of the project. The claim included payments delayed by TVO under the construction contract, and penalty interest totalling about €1.45 billion and €135 million in alleged loss of profit. TVO counterclaimed costs and losses of €2.6 billion to the end of 2018, having revised its loss figure from €1.8 billion to the end of 2014. 

World Nuclear Feb 2020

This again implies that costing is complicated, and companies cannot agree on what each other should pay towards it.

There were initially two power plants proposed for Olkiluoto, but:

TVO decided not to proceed, since “the delay of the start-up of Olkiluoto 3 plant unit … [makes it] impossible to make significant Olkiluoto 4 related decisions necessary for the construction licence application within the current period of validity of the decision-in-principle.” “Olkiluoto 4 is important for us and therefore we will be prepared to apply for a new decision-in-principle.” In June 2015 TVO shareholders resolved not to proceed with plans for unit 4.

World Nuclear Feb 2020

There is also a Russian design reactor to be built in Finland. The processes were agreed in 2010 but beginning production has been delayed again to 2028.

Back to RenewEconomy:

The cost of the four reactors under construction in the United Arab Emirates has increased from A$7.5 billion per reactor to A$10‒12 billion per reactor.

RenewEconomy

There are a lot of articles pointing to the dangers of nuclear energy in a politically unstable region and people have already fired missiles at them. I cannot find anything about cost increases. Most reports say that they are predicted to cost, in total, US$25b or currently about A$37.6b, not quite A$10-12 billion per reactor. It is possible the original cheapness arises from corruption on the side of the Korean builders.

South Korea ‒ which is supplying the UAE reactors ‒ is held out to be a model for the global nuclear industry. But South Korea is slowly phasing out its nuclear reactors, its nuclear industry is riddled with corruption (the courts have dispensed a cumulative 253 years of jail time to 68 offenders), and its business model clearly sacrifices safety in order to improve economics…

RenewEconomy

wikipedia reports on faked documents and certificates for components. Yes you really want fake parts for a reactor.

Korea is dismantling its nuclear industry, shutting down older reactors and scrapping plans for new ones. State energy companies are being shifted toward renewables.

South Korea’s reactors… are mostly packed into a narrow strip along the densely populated southeastern coast. The density was a way of cutting costs on administration and land acquisition. But putting reactors close to one another—and to large cities—was risky…. there are four million people living within a 30-kilometer radius of the Kori plant alone.

On September 21, 2012, officials at KHNP had received an outside tip about illegal activity among the company’s parts suppliers. By the time President Park had taken office, an internal probe had become a full-blown criminal investigation. Prosecutors discovered that thousands of counterfeit parts had made their way into nuclear reactors across the country, backed up with forged safety documents.

KHNP insisted the reactors were still safe, but the question remained: was corner-cutting the real reason they were so cheap?

MIT Technology Review 22 April 2019

Safety additions which came in after Chernobyl were abandoned. This helped the speed of the build, and partially explains why the Korean estimates for the UAE reactors were half the price of the competitors.

One informant told Technology Review:

“You’d have a group of white-haired executives from competing firms sitting across from each other, playing rock-paper-scissors to decide who would take certain contracts.” Dummy bids would then be supported by fake documents, doctored to ensure that the designated loser would fail.

“I personally knew of around 300 cases where those [load] transformers caught on fire. They’re incredibly unstable.”

MIT Technology Review 22 April 2019

Earthquake surveys had not been properly carried out, and there were earthquakes in areas of dense reactor concentration.

In May 2012, five engineers were charged with covering up a potentially dangerous power failure at South Korea’s Kori-1 reactor which led to a rapid rise in the reactor core temperature. The accident occurred because of a failure to follow safety procedures…..

[In General] The Korea Institute of Nuclear Safety reported:

# A total of 2,114 test reports were falsified: 247 test reports in relation to replaced parts for 23 reactors, an additional 944 falsifications in relation to ‘items’ for three recently commissioned reactors, and 923 falsifications in relation to ‘items’ for five reactors under construction.

# Results were ‘unidentified’ for an additional 3,408 test reports ‒ presumably it was impossible to assess whether or not the reports were falsified.

# Twenty-nine of the forgeries concerned ‘seismic qualification’, and the legitimacy of a further 43 seismic reports was ‘unclear’.

# Over 7,500 reactor parts were replaced in the aftermath of the scandal…..

The situation in South Korea mirrors that in Japan prior to the Fukushima disaster ‒ i.e. systemic corruption

Wiseinternational 23 Sep 2019

In total, 68 people were sentenced and the courts dispensed a cumulative 253 years of jail time. Guilty parties included KHNP president Kim Jong-shin, a Kepco lifer, and President Lee Myung-bak’s close aide Park Young-joon, whom Kim had bribed in exchange for “favorable treatment” from the government.

MIT Technology Review 22 April 2019

Casual attitudes to safety seem to persist:

an incident at the Hanbit 1 reactor on 10 May 2019 [when t]he reactor’s thermal output exceeded safety limits but was kept running for nearly 12 hours when it should have been shut down manually at once.17 The thermal output rose from 0% to 18% in one minute, far exceeding the 5% threshold that should have triggered a manual shutdown.

Wiseinternational 23 Sep 2019

The Korean government now seems in favour of a slow faze out of nuclear energy, and not to build any more reactors.

The Kori nuclear plant, north of Busan, has already had one of its four reactors decommissioned in June 2017, with the other three facing closure between the years 2023-2025.

Other nuclear plants facing decommissioning are Yonggwang 1, formerly known as Hanbit in 2026 and the Wolsong nuclear plant, which will be retired by 2022. Nuclear plants are also being put on hold or cancelled altogether: the Cheonji nuclear plant, formed of four reactors, was cancelled by the current government in June 2018, while the expansion of Shin Hanul from two reactors to four was delayed from May 2017 to February 2019 due to government policy.

Power Technology 1 Aug 2019

To the UK.

In the UK, the estimated cost of the only two reactors under construction is A$25.9 billion per reactor. In the mid-2000s, the estimated cost was almost seven times lower. The UK National Audit Office estimates that taxpayer subsidies for the project will amount to A$58 billion, despite earlier government promises that no taxpayer subsidies would be made available…..

RenewEconomy

I’ve written about the UK reactor before, but to reiterate:

It is currently estimated to cost around 22.5 billion pounds and is still at least five years away from producing electricity.

A document which seems to be from 2013-14 by EDF estimates the cost of the reactor at 16 billion pounds. {It talks about something being created in 2013 as if that is the past, and its earliest appearance in Archive.org is 2014. The document is frequently said to be from 2012, but I cannot see any evidence for this.}

The price tag is expected to exceed £20bn, almost double that suggested in 2008 by EDF Energy, which is spearheading the project alongside a Chinese project partner.

At the time, EDF Energy’s chief executive, Vincent de Rivaz, said the mega-project would power millions of homes by late 2017. He pegged the cost at £45 for every megawatt-hour.

[Now EDF] will earn at least £92.50 for every megawatt-hour produced at Hinkley Point for 35 years by charging households an extra levy on top of the market price for power…. The average electricity price on the UK’s wholesale electricity market was between £55 and £65 per megawatt-hour last year.

The Guardian 14 Aug 2019

This type of reactor has been built elsewhere, and:

“It’s three times over cost and three times over time where it’s been built in Finland and France,” says Paul Dorfman, from the UCL Energy Institute. “This is a failed and failing reactor.”….

British electricity consumers will pay billions over a 35-year period. According to Gérard Magnin, a former EDF director, the French company sees Hinkley as “a way to make the British fund the renaissance of nuclear in France”. He added: “We cannot be sure that in 2060 or 2065, British pensioners, who are currently at school, will not still be paying for the advancement of the nuclear industry in France.”….

[The UK Government] offered to guarantee EDF a fixed price for each unit of energy produced at Hinkley for its first 35 years of operation. In 2012, the guaranteed price – known as the “strike price” – was set at £92.50 per megawatt hour (MWh), which would then rise with inflation. (One MWh is roughly equivalent to the electricity used by around 330 homes in one hour.)… The current wholesale price is around £40 per MWh…..

 if EDF abruptly sold a lot of electricity on to the market at a pre-planned time, the wholesale price could drop substantially. The lower the wholesale price, the bigger the difference from the fixed strike price, and therefore the higher the “EDF tax” paid by consumers.

The Guardian 21 Dec 2017

More recently:

The cost of building the UK’s first new nuclear power plant in a generation has risen by up to £2.9bn and the total bill could be more than £22bn….

The Guardian understands that the latest cost increase brings EDF Energy’s internal rate of return down to between 7.6% and 7.8%. The project originally offered a 9% return on investment, which slipped to 8.5% after its 2017 cost review….

The cost of supporting new offshore windfarms from the mid-2020s fell to record lows of about £40 per megawatt hour of electricity last week in an auction for government contracts, less than half the cost of Hinkley Point C.

The Guardian 26 Sep 2019

Here is some new stuff:

The government has confirmed plans for consumers to begin paying for new nuclear reactors before they are built, and for taxpayers to pay a share of any cost overruns or construction delays….

The new funding structure could be used to prop up EDF Energy’s £16bn plans for a new nuclear reactor at Sizewell B in Suffolk, which was left in doubt after fierce criticism of the costs surrounding the Hinkley Point C project in Somerset.Advertisement

It could also resurrect the dormant plans for a £16bn new nuclear reactor at the Wylfa project in North Wales, which fell apart last year due to the high costs of nuclear construction…..

Dr Doug Parr, the chief scientist at Greenpeace, said: “The nuclear industry has gone in just 10 years from saying they need no subsidies to asking bill payers to fork out for expensive power plants that don’t even exist yet and may never.”

“This ‘nuclear tax’ won’t lower energy bills – it will simply shift the liability for something going wrong from nuclear firms to consumers,” he added.

The Guardian 24 Jul 2019

Backers of mini nuclear power stations [SMRs] have asked for billions of pounds of taxpayers’ money to build their first UK projects, according to an official document…..

the nuclear industry’s claims that the mini plants would be a cheap option for producing low-carbon power appear to be undermined by the significant sums it has been asking of ministers.

Some firms have been calling for as much as £3.6bn to fund construction costs, according to a government-commissioned repor

The Guardian 1 Oct 2018

SMRs apparently have a context which also needs to be built.

No company, utility, consortium or national government is seriously considering building the massive supply chain that is at the very essence of the concept of SMRs ‒ mass, modular construction. Yet without that supply chain, SMRs will be expensive curiosities.

All or almost all SMR projects are either dependent on government handouts or they are run by state-owned agencies. The private sector won’t bet shareholders’ money on SMRs to any significant degree but governments have “a once in a lifetime opportunity” to bet taxpayers’ money on private-sector SMR frolics and to offer SMR developers “full and ongoing Government support”…..

In the US, government SMR funding of several hundred million dollars is an order of magnitude lower than subsidies for large reactors (several billion dollars for the AP1000 projects)…

Of course, it could be argued that government funding for SMR programs is excessive given the strong likelihood of failure. A case in point is the mPower project in the US, which was abandoned despite receiving government funding of US$111 million.

World Information Service on Energy

Back to RenewEconomy

A December 2019 report by CSIRO and the Australian Energy Market Operator finds that construction costs for nuclear reactors are 2‒8 times higher than costs for wind or solar. Costs per unit of energy produced are 2‒3 times greater for nuclear compared to wind or solar including either two hours of battery storage or six hours of pumped hydro energy storage.

RenewEconomy

The Draft report states:

there is no hard data to be found on nuclear SMR. While there are plants under construction or nearing completion, public cost data has not emerged from these early stage developments.

draft Report p3

[and] nuclear SMR costs are very uncertain due to the lack of public cost data on completed international projects,

p14

If this capital cost reduction pathway is achieved then nuclear SMR is competitive with CCS….. in other scenarios, nuclear SMR capital costs remain high.

p.22

The cost tables are complicated, and not reproducible here, but it looks to me as if the costs of energy of SRMs is higher than solar and wind, but I stand to be corrected on this

Conclusion

It is not sensible to accept the construction times or costs issued by contracting companies. It will likely cost much more and take much longer to build – especially if they are built properly and safely. The construction costs can add massively to power bills. At the moment, nuclear power seems to be more expensive than renewables with storage.

We are also not factoring in the CO2 costs. According to one source: Nuclear construction produces up to 37 times the CO2 emissions of renewable energy sources, some of this because of the mining and refining of uranium. As we know in Australia, Uranium mining is not always safe for the surrounds, being sensitive to floods and droughts. Then we have the costs of waste storage for long periods of time, and finally the massive cost of decommissioning old nuclear reactors. It was this cost which led the Conservative Government of Mrs Thatcher to take nuclear power back into public responsibility. No company would pay the massive costs of decommissioning, and so they figured the nuclear industry would collapse without government and taxpayers’ support.

Can nuclear power get better? Of course, everything can get better, but will it? At the moment this seems unlikely to be the case in time to help reduce climate emissions in a way that counts. And no one seems particularly interested in lowering decommissioning costs.

Dangers of nuclear energy

January 17, 2020

There is quite a lot of space being spent on denying that nuclear energy is dangerous.

One way of doing this is to compare the number of deaths we can attribute to coal to the number of deaths coming from nuclear energy. Unfortunately I cannot paste in the graph from this site, but it alleges death rates from energy production per TWh are as follows:

  • 32.72 for brown coal
  • 24.62 for black coal
  • 18.43 for oil
  • 4.63 for biomass
  • 2.82 for gas
  • 0.07 for nuclear

It is impressive to see how many people die from fossil fuel poisoning.

We should also note that there are quite big disputes about how many people died as a result of Chernobyl (in Ukraine) and Fukushima (Japan). As Wikipedia notes in its current article on deaths in Chernobyl: “From 1986 onward, the total death toll of the disaster has lacked consensus; as peer-reviewed medical journal The Lancet and other sources have noted.”

These deaths are quite hard to measure – unless people have large scale radiation burns, then they could have died from other causes. There are political and business reasons for lowering the death count as well. The initial Soviet reports claimed 2 people had died at Chernobyl. Hardly anyone accepts that figure today. On the other hand, some people might blame unrelated sickness on the accidents. Again people may not have died but may have been sicker than they would have been. The radiation spread quite a long way. In 2016 The World Health Organisation said “more than 11,000 thyroid cancer cases had been diagnosed” in the three most affected countries, but they gave no information as to whether this was much higher than normal, per head of population.

I remember reading the early descriptions of the Fukushima accident which implied quite large amounts of radiation sickness amongst the workers who heroically went back in to try and shut it down. This is no longer mentioned. Hopefully, they all healed, rather than were ignored. However, the big problem is that, in neither Chernobyl or Fukushima, has it yet been possible to clean the site, or seal it permanently. Both sites are still problems.

Anyway, despite the lack of agreed figures, it certainly seems likely that fossil fuels have been more overtly deadly than nuclear energy.

However that does not mean we should automatically go for nuclear. There are still the problems of expense, subsidy and few trustworthy companies wanting to build them. Never mind the lack of enthusiasm people show for living near them. Or the difficulties of guaranteeing waste disposal safety for ever.

Neoliberals and Nuclear Energy

December 31, 2019

When discussing climate change with people on the political Right, you commonly get two responses.

The first is “You hate private enterprise and want to get the State to interfere with our lives and destroy our freedoms”

No I want people to be able to choose that they have a future, and that they do not have to be poisoned and disempowered by corporate profit seeking, and neoliberal politics.

It is true I don’t want to surrender the future to the corporate elite and their political representatives, but if business wants to come along and help save both the economy and ecology they function in, they are more than welcome to join in, and many businesses are. In many states in Australia, the renewables transition has been led by business and local councils, in the face of government opposition or intransigence. I can’t stop them, and don’t want to stop them.

Despite the neoliberal Right’s ongoing claims that the only options are to do nothing, or to accept massive government interference in our lives; this is not true. That is just their attempt to politicise the issue, so as to save profit, at the citizens’ expense, and make doing nothing, part of right wing self-identity by suggesting that only left wingers believe in climate change and all the solutions are evil, and worse than the problem should it exist.

The second response I get is “Nuclear power is the solution but you won’t let us have it“.

Nuclear power is an option, although there is little evidence that many people, including the neoliberal Right, actually want it.

From what I hear from people in the UK, the price of the power reactors produce has blown out, and they are slow to build safely.

To make [the Hinkley Point] project viable, the U.K. pledged to pay EDF [The company involved] 92.50 pounds for every megawatt-hour of electricity it produces, more than double the current market price, for 35 years. 

Bloomberg

Let us reiterate the obvious position here. Hinkley Point is only going ahead because of government interference in the market, by guaranteeing an electricity price.

It is also probable that it is able to go ahead because the Government is providing tax-payer funded indemnity as private insurance companies will not cover the complete risk of accident.

I don’t understand why a government would offer this, as once relieved of the burden of responsibility for accidents the company building the reactor has an incentive to cut costs on safety to increase profits. And as safety problems are likely to happen years in the future when the high level executives and their bonuses have all disappeared, or the company may not exist, there is even less incentive to make sure it is safe.

So for some bizarre reason neoliberals support nuclear energy even though it appears unable to operate in a free market. They frequently argue that renewables cannot survive in a free market and therefore should be penalized, although this is not as obvious. The position is not that consistent. It must be because tax-payers’ money is being directed at the established corporate sector.

As far as I can tell, Gen IV nukes which there is a lot of noise about, don’t actually exist as commercially or developmentally ready. Even a supportive site points out that

the new technology will be challenged to expand in the open power market without a guaranteed cost savings [over renewables]. Gen IV will be more likely to expand in state-owned utilities willing to take the technology risk…. Investments to commercialization, continued international cooperation, government support, and multi-years’ worth of effort are needed, but by many indications, Gen IV reactors will be the next nuclear renaissance. [italics added]

Let’s not rely on marketing hype for our future: the tech may never arrive and, if it does, it may not be as good as hoped.

Thorium could be good, but I can’t find any significant present day research on this issue, and it failed in the 1980s in Germany. So we are looking at at least 15–20 years research before anyone starts building, and it may have significant problems anyway.

As far as I can see (which could easily be wrong as things change a lot here), few reputable private companies seem to be building nuclear energy reactors, and few politicians (no matter how much they mumble about nuclear energy being the solution) are keen to have them built in their own electorates.

The reality is that I don’t see any serious agitation for nukes from anyone, including from the political right, other than from nuclear power companies, although quickly forgotten suggestions are reasonably common, as is blaming the left for the lack of nuclear power. I also do not see any decent finished innovations in the field and we still face the possibility that reactors are no longer economic. On top of this, we still have not really solved the waste and insurance problems.

If there was any serious agitation, or interest, given that we live in a plutocracy in which corporations own the political system and the news system, then nuclear energy would probably be happening.

It seems that the establishment is still more interested in subsidising fossil fuels and eco-destruction, than they are in nuclear energy, for whatever reason.

So whatever the regulations are, that might obstruct nuclear energy, they do not seem to be the sole problem. And when things are dangerous, you might hope there would be some regulation, otherwise we just repeat the destroy the environment and poison the people, for profit thing, which is the main cause of our problems.

If all this is correct, then nuclear energy seems a displacement fantasy and a political pretense, rather than a valid solution.

When it comes down to it, I would rather support Renewable transitions which are happening anyway (however hindered by governments), than push hard to get something going which might not happen and probably would be a waste of tax-payers’ money.

Nuclear Energy

July 18, 2018

People keep praising nuclear as the way out of out climate and energy problems but I’m not convinced. So this is a quick list of well known problems, which I will expand as more come to mind.

a) Expense. The new cheap small reactors which people talk about, don’t seem to have been built yet in anything resembling commercial operational conditions. Real reactors which are under construction appear to keep going up in price. They also regularly have price blowouts, and require taxpayer subsidy.

b) Finding a location. Few people want them built near them or, if they are neutral, near cities where they are vaguely economical. If we put them in the desolate outback, hardly anyone will voluntarily go to work there, and the power loss through cables may become significant. Reactors also need water for cooling, so we are not going to put them in the outback, probably on the coast, which may significantly change coastal ecologies.

c) They seem to take a long time to build, although there are massive divergences in the figures people give (5 to 25 years!). Certainly anyone who says they can be built quickly and safely is probably being optimistic. Hinkley Point in the UK which is probably a fair comparison with anything that would be built here in Australia, is both massively over budget, and quite late.

d) Accidents may be rare but when they happen can be catastrophic. Insurance companies will not cover them, because of this unlimited risk. So taxpayers are up for even more expense, and may have little input into safety when they are built by private companies using cost cutting to make money (as they won’t be responsible for insurance).

e) Disposing of waste. No one has yet solved that problem, for all time, yet.

f) Expensive electricity. The promised price of electricity from the UK’s yet to be built reactors is far greater than that of renewables or coal now.

g) When a reactor gets old, it has to be decommissioned. This can be a very expensive and dangerous process, with large amounts of radioactive waste. It is rarely added to the cost of use, because the cost is most likely borne by taxpayers. As usual costs are socialized and profits privatized.

h) They require massive amounts of concrete which is currently a source of greenhouse gases. There are reputed to be new concretes, but I’ve no idea how good they are at supporting this kind of use.

i) Thorium reactors. Nice idea but it has apparently failed once before i Germany, and does not currently seem to be in use anywhere. So we are probably looking at 20 to 30 years before they become commercially available, even if we were doing any research into them – which we don’t seem to be.